Crime & Punishment

Im surprised there is so little debate going on about this, so i'll fire one up.



With this being said I'll explain why I believe Empire warring is currently in the slow process of being destroyed, thanks to the presumed brilliant expansion by CCP, Inferno.

First of all.

The ally system.

It's stupid to no extent that an aggressor launches a dec and the defender has a LIMITLESS number of allies to recruit.
As most Empire warrers are experiencing right now, it's wars that everyone joins on the defenders side in the hopes of finding targets, resulting in a ridiculous number of people chasing down aggressors.
We're talking 50 man aggressor outfits facing over 10 corps/alliances resulting in a 50 vs 900+ situation.

End result:

People obviously wont play. Its going to be Destroyers, Cloakies or Pods you'll see outside, with the odd brainless git trying to mine in a random system.


The Merc marketplace.

It's pointless. Utterly pointless.
Merc work is destroyed at this point.
Why? Because all a defender has to do is put up a request and viola, everyone out there joins just for the hell of it and in no time, you will see countless corps and alliances joining just to get those few odd kills - if any.

No one will pay anyone anymore because with Inferno in place, players will just join for free.



With these changes implemented Empire merc outfits are falling apart, what used to be a very interesting way for PvP is turning into a massive heap of boredom and already there is mention of the older, bigger groups considering moving away from Empire, considering FW, piracy or other means.
There is just no incentive to keep doing this anymore.

In short, even though CCP claimed to redo Empire wars and make them more interesting for everyone, all they;re doing right now is killing it. BIG time.
And the fact that they didn't see this coming is beyond me, and I'm sure many others as well.

It's pushing people out of Empire and in my humble opinion, it reeks of a little hidden agenda they had when designing this because as far as succes with Inferno goes, im pretty sure that's the only achievement they will get for this in the not-all-too-long run from here on.



PROPOSED CHANGES BASED ON INGAME AND FORUM INPUT.

- Defenders must charge a fee for allies. This will keep merc work alive and not eradicate it from play entirely.

- Aggressors should be allowed allies once a Defender gets them. This should also be at a fee. Again, keeping the merc business alive.

- Minimum fees should be introduced for recruiting allies. 50m as bare minimum, outside of the merc's contract prices.
Since they dont have to fund the wars, I'm pretty sure that the 50m will be the cheaper alternative to the old, pre-Inferno costs for Merc alliances.

These three changes alone will put some use to the Merc marketplace.

Discuss.

CCP should adress this as a serious issue imo.

One extra aggressor for each extra defender the target gets.

This will recreate the option for merc services and/or at least level the playing field.
In it's current state its ending up to be 1 vs many when you're talking groups (be it corps or alliances).

It's ridiculous, not thought-through and detrimental to those who loved Empire wars.

EDIT: a mandatory fee for recruiting allies would also be a small alternative, like Tora mentioned.

Updated OP with proposed changes.

+1 for op

So what point are you trying to make here by quoting this?

That you're a troll.

hallo all.

i use to be a merc. in hisec and did some wh work as well.

When i saw the changes they where going to make. i shut down my merc corp, The Condemned and Convicted [HAM.]
we then se a new plan, and whent to 0,0. but after just 60 days i was sick of 0,0 rating and pvp out there is just not for me.

Tora Bushido know what happen when i left 0,0

I like the feeling that i get for helping a small corp. that can't fight for them self. And i have never ones taken the isk and not done that job i was pay for.


After jeg cam back to Hisec, i now had to choice if i will go low sec. and go - 10, but i do not feel like doing that as i like to fly in all space. we i stay in Hisec and was going to start the merc corp. ones more, but i need to learn all the new change to the war system.

I believe that it is so hard to war dec some one, as in the mail. all of sudden you have 900+ target on the defender side.
so i hope that ccp will see that they have kill merc work. even if there plan was to make it better, but whit all new things there are bugs to work out and i hope the ccp will take to hart what the Hisec pvp'ers are saying.

I belive that the defender have to pay the war dec fee if a ally joins his war. and a min of 50 - 100 mil must be pay to the ally.

there are many things that need to be work on and to think that we are going to get a easy fix, that will not happen.

there is always room to make a system better and more so that all can be part of it. but it will take some time.

Now if any like to know more about what happen in 0,0

the 0,0 rip off


Tora Bushido I'l see you in space

Blackcamper

A simple limit on the number of allies will make corps look alot harder when it comes to whom they want as an ally.

Right now 99% of allies consist of trade hub station campers or your larger than life faction fleets where there are more RR ships than actual DPS ships.

ANother thing i noticed is that a corp at war with another corp. can join that corp as an ally agaist somebody else. That is a flaw that should not have been overlooked.

also, as I said from before the patch... the stacking cost for wars is ******** right now. 300mil a week to dec 3 corps....

Nonsense!

Seriously though, if you want real attention on this kind of thing then it should have been posted in General Discussion.

I'm not 100% sure on how the CSM politics thingy works, but you could always lobby the CSM and try to get someone on the council to voice your arguments.

I tend to agree, but having to post in one particular forum to draw attention when it is clearly about crime and punishment makes no sense to me.

CCP lazyness if that's the truth.

In any case, it's good to see many people posting in here in a civil fashion.
IMO it deserves attention and a thorough revamp, because - as i said before - the current state is detrimental and the amount of people enjoying Empire decs is close to non existant, simply due to the fact that this is SO horribly implemented it makes baby jesus cry.