EVE General Discussion

This would be hilarious if someone did it. Also a good introduction in how to low-/null-sec, made even easier by the fact that you're really not risking anything by taking your gank alt out to rat.

Why not?

Admittedly I am *not* the market expert, but isn't a good alpha dessie cheaper than a good dps dessie?

(aside, i might have to log in again, get me 20 or 30 catalysts and try some things out... )

This is not an exploit according to CCP. If you want to mine safely, do the following:

1. Stay at least 10 jumps away from the nearest trade hub. Most gankers don't roam very far (3-6 jumps) from these hubs as AFK miners generally tend to stay close to hubs.

2. Mine in isolated systems where very little to almost no one visits. They are plentiful. You just need to look for them.

3. Stay aware from systems next door to low-sec systems unless that patch of low-sec is not so popular for a variety of reasons.

4. Train up for Covert Ops ships that specialize in scanning systems. Scanning Gravimetric sites can be easy with the right skills and most gankers don't usually scan grav sites for their targets. Only a handful of gankers actually do scan down their targets and even then it takes time to scan, thus giving the grav site miner time to escape.

5. Never fit anything more expensive than a T2 mod. Avoid T2 rigs as well. Expensive mods are attractive to profit-driven gankers.

6. Tanking a Hulk can discourage most gankers who are too cheap to either attack with a more expensive ship or too cheap to share the wealth with a partner if they are profit driven. A Hulk can tank up to 30,000 EHP if fitted and fleeted properly.

7. Strategize. Plan for the worse. Assume that somehow, someone will find you and try to gank you.

8. Be nomadic. A target that keeps moving is a target not worth chasing if the gankers are only concerned with cornering a local market. This plan can fail, however, if the target is hated enough by the gankers that it makes it worth it for the gankers to chase said target. You had to have pissed them off enough times for this to happen.

9. Drop the Hulk and Mack and go for the Skiff. Then head out into a low-sec system that sees little to no traffic. For this, it's better to ninja mine and scan for grav sites. The skiff is a great ship to mine in low-sec because it is fast for its class and is designed primary to sneak in, ninja mine, and get out. It's also cheap.

10. Make it a habit to make safe spots. These will be useful for logging out in case the gates are camped and you don't want to risk losing your ship or exposing what you have. Please remember to only log off when you don't have any aggression timers on you.

11. Don't give out any tears. Gankers thrive on your hatred towards them. Ranting and raging will only serve to make you a more juicy target to go after.

12. Study the gankers. If they make it a habit to study their prey, then you should make it a habit to study the gankers so that you know when to make your escape if you find yourself having to move out. There are tens thousands of systems to hide in. Use them.

I have to admit im starting to think of ideas and ways to lure gankers and kill them before they can blow up one of my mining ships, or even if its possible to ambush them after they attempt to gank another player... skills i need, ships, fittings. I have planning and consideration to do.

Yet im also operating my own mining operation which is slowly improving in resistance and durability. Also planning further hardening. My hulk (i dont mine in it yet) has slightly over 29k ehp, but im training to increase that to over 30k with t1 rigs and t2 hardeners

Someone forum PM me - what DPS target are we looking at here for hulks?

If you are defending against gankers, the ONLY thing that you are to do, is to keep the mark alive for 20 seconds.
Then, as those 20 seconds elapse, KILL, the pod of the attacker.

Forget hunting.
Forget pre-emptive strikes.
Forget about your 'alliance against gankers'.

You just have to do ONE simple thing... shield the innocent for 20 seconds..

If you can manage to get miners to organize, something I doubt as they tend to be dumb as **** morons with macros getting free minerals to sell battleships to CFC enemies at below mineral cost in market PVP... then you can host system wide strip mining events.

This will however never ever work, as you are trying to protect the lowest of the low and the weakest of the weak.
Just let them DIE in peace instead.




TL;DR:
I have minerals stockpiled, please kill exhumers.

Hey i didn't say a dam thing about the tornado, but go ahead and continue to be a **** heel... seems to be what you're good at.


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/starts whistling the theme from "the good, the bad and the ugly"...

.5 space?

Google.

20 seconds is a long ole time for remote repair to kick in.

RR works fine against DPS ganking; it is only ineffective vs alpha ganking. Forcing gankers to change from cheap destroyers to expensive Tornados radically alters the situation - financially and also in terms of required SP.