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Defending against Ganking possible ?

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#41 - 2012-06-03 11:46:12 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
(Gank alts tend not to have all those pesky tanking skills you need to have at 5 to get 3800 EHP on an untanked Dessie)


Slaves...

And only the stupid people would shoot your pod because they would get Concorded just for doing that.


Not once you go -10, also WHO PUTS SLAVES on a GANK ALT?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Heinrich Rotwang
Spectre Fleet Corporation
#42 - 2012-06-03 12:13:58 UTC
The problem is, compared to Eves usual timescales to achieve anything (eg. months and years to train skills), sec status has little to no meaning. The whole outlaw thing is being invalidated by the short period of time it takes an experienced player to work back from public enemy to good standing. Feels like 2 hours of community work for murder: its still somewhat of a consequence, but it just doesn't feel appropriate.
Bossy Lady
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#43 - 2012-06-03 12:30:16 UTC
Heinrich Rotwang wrote:
The problem is, compared to Eves usual timescales to achieve anything (eg. months and years to train skills), sec status has little to no meaning. The whole outlaw thing is being invalidated by the short period of time it takes an experienced player to work back from public enemy to good standing. Feels like 2 hours of community work for murder: its still somewhat of a consequence, but it just doesn't feel appropriate.



Working back up from -10 is quite a grind. It's not something that you can do in "a couple of hours" let me assure you.

Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M.
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-06-03 12:49:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarah Schneider
Richard Desturned wrote:
The key is to remove CONCORD so that suicide gankers can be preemptively attacked.

+1

Love it when what the OP wants gives out exactly the opposite result. :p

PS: RubyPorto for CSM!!!

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-06-03 13:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Bossy Lady wrote:
Working back up from -10 is quite a grind. It's not something that you can do in "a couple of hours" let me assure you.


Not with stealth bomber... And with that getting to those good systems (I know you need a good route that takes around 15 minutes) should be easy enough. One BS per system.

Doesn't sound difficult even for carebear like me.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-06-03 13:02:36 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
(Gank alts tend not to have all those pesky tanking skills you need to have at 5 to get 3800 EHP on an untanked Dessie)


Slaves...

And only the stupid people would shoot your pod because they would get Concorded just for doing that.


Why yes let me just go ahead and use a TWO BILLION ISK IMPLANT SET on a ganking destroyer pilot which will hit below -5 (where anyone in hisec can legally pod you) in very little time if it hasn't already

I mean holy **** people must think that they gankers fly with anything more than maybe an RoF/turret damage hardwiring if they use implants at all when ganking

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-06-03 13:04:15 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Bossy Lady wrote:
Working back up from -10 is quite a grind. It's not something that you can do in "a couple of hours" let me assure you.


Not with stealth bomber... And with that getting to those good systems (I know you need a good route that takes around 15 minutes). One BS per system.

Doesn't sound difficult even for carebear like me.


Feel free to get a character down to -10 (you can easily do this by, say, ECM bursting the Jita undock a few times) and grind the sec status back up. I mean it's easy and you can do it in no time, right?

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#48 - 2012-06-03 15:52:27 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:


PS: RubyPorto for CSM!!!


In B4 "Is a Waffle the best TEST can do for CSM?"

Anyway, Thanks for the vote of confidence.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-06-03 16:33:47 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
As soon as the ganker shoots you in highsec, they get a GCC, which allows other players to shoot them for 15 minutes, meaning any player who is nearby that wants to shoot back at the ganker can go right ahead. CONCORD just prevents you from pre-emptively shooting at the ganker without having the same set of consequences they do when they gank.

As soon as the ganker shoots, shooting back is pointless, as their objective has already been accomplished.

I know, I used to do it.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#50 - 2012-06-03 16:35:56 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
As soon as the ganker shoots you in highsec, they get a GCC, which allows other players to shoot them for 15 minutes, meaning any player who is nearby that wants to shoot back at the ganker can go right ahead. CONCORD just prevents you from pre-emptively shooting at the ganker without having the same set of consequences they do when they gank.

As soon as the ganker shoots, shooting back is pointless, as their objective has already been accomplished.

I know, I used to do it.


Modern ganks are DPS based, not Alpha based, and require every second of the CONCORD response time to kill their targets.

Alpha isn't as cheap as it was when Pend Inc. subsidized it.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#51 - 2012-06-03 16:40:35 UTC
Easy way to be safe from gankers. Use instas. This only doesn't work when travelling from a gate or after warping into a location (well, or when using a cheap fast ship to set up your off grid instas... but thats probably not likely to get gank attention).

When mining, do so aligned using 4 or more BMs in a large ringish pattern around your belt. Once ganker warps in you have about 3 whole seconds to click warp and be gone before they could even start to lock. This is very hard in Ice belts, so it can require some work. But in the end it is worth it if you don't get ganked because of it.
Nostradamouse Riraille
S.M.U.G.G.L.E.
#52 - 2012-06-03 17:00:59 UTC
Truly, the best way to defend against gankers is simply not to give them a target.

I've passed quite a lot of low sec and high sec systems around that are in a perma state of 0 person in local for long periods of the day.

Mine in those perhaps?
Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-06-03 17:58:45 UTC
Does nobody realize that this guy is looking into fighting back against gankers instead of keeping his hulk safe from gankers?

Simply its said that you have a 15 second window of opportunity at MOST to pop the ganker. Doesn't guarantee the gankers target lives, and concord still might beat you to the punch. So any real valid ganking the ganker tactic is like trying to shoot the edge of a knife blade with a needle.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-06-03 18:07:48 UTC
Spikeflach wrote:
Simply its said that you have a 15 second window of opportunity at MOST to pop the ganker. Doesn't guarantee the gankers target lives, and concord still might beat you to the punch. So any real valid ganking the ganker tactic is like trying to shoot the edge of a knife blade with a needle.


An extremely limited amount of time to do a large portion of DPS before CONCORD arrives. Yeah, that sounds hardly possible to me and not at all like anything else that is currently going on in-game. Nope, not at all. Completely unique and really ~difficult~.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#55 - 2012-06-03 18:08:11 UTC
Spikeflach wrote:
Does nobody realize that this guy is looking into fighting back against gankers instead of keeping his hulk safe from gankers?

Simply its said that you have a 15 second window of opportunity at MOST to pop the ganker. Doesn't guarantee the gankers target lives, and concord still might beat you to the punch. So any real valid ganking the ganker tactic is like trying to shoot the edge of a knife blade with a needle.


800mm Nado will 1 or 2 volley a gank Dessie, killing it well before CONCORD spawns or the tanked target dies. A rook/blackbird with a bunch of Gallente ECM will also mess up the ganker's day.

If you really want to fight someone on your own merits, without CONCORD stepping in to stop you from popping the ganker, mine in Lowsec.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-06-03 18:15:55 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Spikeflach wrote:
Does nobody realize that this guy is looking into fighting back against gankers instead of keeping his hulk safe from gankers?

Simply its said that you have a 15 second window of opportunity at MOST to pop the ganker. Doesn't guarantee the gankers target lives, and concord still might beat you to the punch. So any real valid ganking the ganker tactic is like trying to shoot the edge of a knife blade with a needle.


800mm Nado will 1 or 2 volley a gank Dessie, killing it well before CONCORD spawns or the tanked target dies. A rook/blackbird with a bunch of Gallente ECM will also mess up the ganker's day.

If you really want to fight someone on your own merits, without CONCORD stepping in to stop you from popping the ganker, mine in Lowsec.


The OP of this thread is not a miner, the answers to save his hulk don't answer his question at all.

He is looking for a valid way to offensively defend against gankers. Which you have suggested here.
Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-06-03 18:18:34 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Spikeflach wrote:
Simply its said that you have a 15 second window of opportunity at MOST to pop the ganker. Doesn't guarantee the gankers target lives, and concord still might beat you to the punch. So any real valid ganking the ganker tactic is like trying to shoot the edge of a knife blade with a needle.


An extremely limited amount of time to do a large portion of DPS before CONCORD arrives. Yeah, that sounds hardly possible to me and not at all like anything else that is currently going on in-game. Nope, not at all. Completely unique and really ~difficult~.


I am glad you agree. :)
Price Check Aisle3
#58 - 2012-06-03 18:24:52 UTC
Posting in a not-actually-a-newbie stealth gank whine thread.
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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-06-03 18:26:28 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
As soon as the ganker shoots you in highsec, they get a GCC, which allows other players to shoot them for 15 minutes, meaning any player who is nearby that wants to shoot back at the ganker can go right ahead. CONCORD just prevents you from pre-emptively shooting at the ganker without having the same set of consequences they do when they gank.

As soon as the ganker shoots, shooting back is pointless, as their objective has already been accomplished.

I know, I used to do it.


Modern ganks are DPS based, not Alpha based, and require every second of the CONCORD response time to kill their targets.

Alpha isn't as cheap as it was when Pend Inc. subsidized it.

It's cheaper now that GS are subsidizing it even better...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2012-06-03 18:29:07 UTC
Almost none of the Hulk ganks are using alpha, though.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["