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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#201 - 2012-06-03 17:57:58 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

GSF isn't going to put a bounty on T1 ships because T1 ships contain no Tech.

you think goonswarm would never spend money just for the sake of causing people grief without personal profit to us

i don't think you quite get us

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#202 - 2012-06-03 17:58:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
RubyPorto wrote:
GSF isn't going to put a bounty on T1 ships because T1 ships contain no Tech.


After Hulks/Macks they want gankers to kill Covetors, then Retrievers, then mining cruisers, then mining frigates, then newb ships.

Just to get all profit out of miners and then drive them out of this game.
Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#203 - 2012-06-03 17:58:47 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
ORE stands for Outer Ring Excavations. A ship made by ORE is meant to be used on the outer regions of the galaxy, AKA null space.


on that logic, hulk shol dnot be paper thin in highsec and easily gangable fith few ships.. As you so nicely put it, its mean for null space so it should have superior tank to handle such harsh conditionds ;)

Personally i would wish ccp just ups the punishments for suicide ganks and make it more harder to recover from your bad security status..

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#204 - 2012-06-03 17:59:40 UTC
i wonder if 20m per 10 t1 barges would work
you ought to break even, I think, since they can't be tanked to resist a single t1 destroyer

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#205 - 2012-06-03 18:02:41 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

GSF isn't going to put a bounty on T1 ships because T1 ships contain no Tech.

you think goonswarm would never spend money just for the sake of causing people grief without personal profit to us

i don't think you quite get us


Ok, you might (and now probably will). But you won't do so for economic reasons.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#206 - 2012-06-03 18:02:54 UTC
Dasola wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
ORE stands for Outer Ring Excavations. A ship made by ORE is meant to be used on the outer regions of the galaxy, AKA null space.


on that logic, hulk shol dnot be paper thin in highsec and easily gangable fith few ships.. As you so nicely put it, its mean for null space so it should have superior tank to handle such harsh conditionds ;)

Personally i would wish ccp just ups the punishments for suicide ganks and make it more harder to recover from your bad security status..

I have a friend whos hulk regularly perma tanks 3x 1.5mil BS rats quite comfortably. Tell me again how they don't have tanks strong enough to survive in null?

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#207 - 2012-06-03 18:04:21 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
GSF isn't going to put a bounty on T1 ships because T1 ships contain no Tech.


After Hulks/Macks they want gankers to kill Covetors, then Retrievers, then mining cruisers, then mining frigates, then newb ships.

Just to get all profit out of miners and then drive them out of this game.


What profit does GSF make from ganking T1 mining ships?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#208 - 2012-06-03 18:10:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
RubyPorto wrote:
What profit does GSF make from ganking T1 mining ships?


They wouldn't do it for profit. Or maybe, they probably have huge stockpiles of low ends after all.

Main reason would be to drive all miners out. Nullsec players don't want us to ruin their game.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#209 - 2012-06-03 18:11:32 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
GSF isn't going to put a bounty on T1 ships because T1 ships contain no Tech.


After Hulks/Macks they want gankers to kill Covetors, then Retrievers, then mining cruisers, then mining frigates, then newb ships.

Just to get all profit out of miners and then drive them out of this game.


What profit does GSF make from ganking T1 mining ships?

Massive stockpiles of tinfoil to sell.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#210 - 2012-06-03 18:12:55 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:


The point is hulk shares this aspect, but as it doesn't kill anyone it doesn't get near as much attention. Best solution imo, nerf hulk yield, but give them a specialized strip that won't activate in highsec, which only they can fit.


So, a glass cannon, zero survivability Hulk with T2 fittings yields 16.5M per hour.

You REALLY believe it's too much? Too much compared to what other profession?

Used in nullsec the miners in my corp are making 60mil+ an hour with their hulks. And that is selling to the corp at a discount.

Edit: and before you accuse them of being bots, I should point out that we police that. We don't report them, we kill them til they are to broke, then kick them so they are stranded in nullsec.


So this prompts for a nerf in Nullsec mining, not in hi sec as you said. Because I can't see mining being nerfed more. Imagine when minerals were worth 30% less.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#211 - 2012-06-03 18:19:45 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

See where I listed psychological under the types of rewards?
If you have less money because you spent it on something that makes you feel good, you can't yell that the economy owes you something. Either the good feeling was worth the money, or you should have spent the money elsewhere.


Stupid me to have included psychological rewards in a game, and a paid one at that.


RubyPorto wrote:

As for SP, I would guess that 75-90% of the SP most people have don't apply to the ship they are currently pilot. SP affords options, not power.


The SP people have is for the ships they use. If they find that today piloting a BC does the task, then the SP is well spent. If they tomorrow need to use a freighter, their SP are right there to support that. If 2 days later they need to use a mining ship, their SP are right there to... oh wait, they are wasted. Gotta downgrade.


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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#212 - 2012-06-03 18:20:16 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Finally, HS miners will be totally out-competed by 0.0 max yield bots and nobody reports those, expecially since they share good cash.

0.0 bots don't ever mine things you mine in empire, except in anom mining and in those cases the lowends produced are insufficient to use the high-ends produced

go back to entrail reading

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#213 - 2012-06-03 18:20:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tallian Saotome
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:


The point is hulk shares this aspect, but as it doesn't kill anyone it doesn't get near as much attention. Best solution imo, nerf hulk yield, but give them a specialized strip that won't activate in highsec, which only they can fit.


So, a glass cannon, zero survivability Hulk with T2 fittings yields 16.5M per hour.

You REALLY believe it's too much? Too much compared to what other profession?

Used in nullsec the miners in my corp are making 60mil+ an hour with their hulks. And that is selling to the corp at a discount.

Edit: and before you accuse them of being bots, I should point out that we police that. We don't report them, we kill them til they are to broke, then kick them so they are stranded in nullsec.


So this prompts for a nerf in Nullsec mining, not in hi sec as you said. Because I can't see mining being nerfed more. Imagine when minerals were worth 30% less.

The 60 mil/hr is a recent thing, ever since the drone poop nerf, which was meant to make mining in general more profitable.

Mission accomplished ;)

Miners who take the risks to get the higher income should be rewarded, and those unwilling should continue to make nothing. Highsec mining should not be a viable long term way to make significant isk. Neither should highsec mission running, or incursions. The only profession I think should be ignoring sec status is trading.

Hulkageddon brings the risk/reward more in line with what it should be, given how easy isk making is with a hulk in highsec(given that there is 0 risk to doing it if no one does any ganking)

And once again, given your penchant for trying to take every statement to extreme lengths, I am not saying that it is perfectly in line, it raises the risk to a level slightly(and only slightly, given the number of miners untouched by the event in their hulks) above where it should be.

Edit: Just for you VV, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_ridiculum

Now please stop with it, and use your head, I am well aware you are not as dumb as you are pretending with your absurd simplifying of the issues to an extreme length.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#214 - 2012-06-03 18:21:39 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

GSF isn't going to put a bounty on T1 ships because T1 ships contain no Tech.

you think goonswarm would never spend money just for the sake of causing people grief without personal profit to us

i don't think you quite get us


Ok, you might (and now probably will). But you won't do so for economic reasons.


As I posted in another thread, they are not after ships. I told you there, you don't get Goons. Well I see Weaselior told you the same.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#215 - 2012-06-03 18:24:32 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Finally, HS miners will be totally out-competed by 0.0 max yield bots and nobody reports those, expecially since they share good cash.

0.0 bots don't ever mine things you mine in empire, except in anom mining and in those cases the lowends produced are insufficient to use the high-ends produced

go back to entrail reading


So once you put money on T1 mining ships heads, who is supposed to mine these low ends? I see some contradiction here.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#216 - 2012-06-03 18:27:25 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:


Mission accomplished ;)

Miners who take the risks to get the higher income should be rewarded, and those unwilling should continue to make nothing. Highsec mining should not be a viable long term way to make significant isk. Neither should highsec mission running, or incursions. The only profession I think should be ignoring sec status is trading.

Hulkageddon brings the risk/reward more in line with what it should be, given how easy isk making is with a hulk in highsec(given that there is 0 risk to doing it if no one does any ganking)


The mission you accomplish with this agenda is to make hi sec an empty place.

You assume that emptying a nice place will fill 2 shitty other places. No, it will just create 3 emtpy places.
Mission accomplished ;)

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#217 - 2012-06-03 18:47:15 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:


Mission accomplished ;)

Miners who take the risks to get the higher income should be rewarded, and those unwilling should continue to make nothing. Highsec mining should not be a viable long term way to make significant isk. Neither should highsec mission running, or incursions. The only profession I think should be ignoring sec status is trading.

Hulkageddon brings the risk/reward more in line with what it should be, given how easy isk making is with a hulk in highsec(given that there is 0 risk to doing it if no one does any ganking)


The mission you accomplish with this agenda is to make hi sec an empty place.

You assume that emptying a nice place will fill 2 shitty other places. No, it will just create 3 emtpy places.
Mission accomplished ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_ridiculum

You and James315 are the only people who seriously want to nerf highsec. The rest of just want the rest of space buffed so there is an actual reason to go there, AKA, make it not ******.

BTW, good job violating forum rules by circumventing the profanity filter.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#218 - 2012-06-03 18:56:29 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:

You and James315 are the only people who seriously want to nerf highsec. The rest of just want the rest of space buffed so there is an actual reason to go there, AKA, make it not ******.

BTW, good job violating forum rules by circumventing the profanity filter.


I am not a pansie, I don't want to nerf high sec, I want to remove it completely. Actually, in my dreams I would play this EvE 2.0.

As for the filter, I noticed several other posts doing exactly the same, odd you didn't.

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#219 - 2012-06-03 19:00:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tallian Saotome
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:

You and James315 are the only people who seriously want to nerf highsec. The rest of just want the rest of space buffed so there is an actual reason to go there, AKA, make it not ******.

BTW, good job violating forum rules by circumventing the profanity filter.


I am not a pansie, I don't want to nerf high sec, I want to remove it completely. Actually, in my dreams I would play this EvE 2.0.

As for the filter, I noticed several other posts doing exactly the same, odd you didn't.

You keep talking about how great these other games are... Makes me wonder why you keep sticking around instead of playing one of them.

I've gotten banned from the forums enough already, tyvm :)

And its always because I pissed someone off in one thread, and so they check my post history and report any violation they can find. Just because people do it and get away with it doesn't mean it won't get you banned, it just means no one has reported those posts yet.

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Tesal
#220 - 2012-06-03 19:22:07 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:

You and James315 are the only people who seriously want to nerf highsec. The rest of just want the rest of space buffed so there is an actual reason to go there, AKA, make it not ******.

BTW, good job violating forum rules by circumventing the profanity filter.


I am not a pansie, I don't want to nerf high sec, I want to remove it completely. Actually, in my dreams I would play this EvE 2.0.

As for the filter, I noticed several other posts doing exactly the same, odd you didn't.

You keep talking about how great these other games are... Makes me wonder why you keep sticking around instead of playing one of them.

I've gotten banned from the forums enough already, tyvm :)

And its always because I pissed someone off in one thread, and so they check my post history and report any violation they can find. Just because people do it and get away with it doesn't mean it won't get you banned, it just means no one has reported those posts yet.


You're an idiot. Stop posting.