EVE New Citizens Q&A

Well I am not new anymore. About 6 weeks old. My first observation at a few days old was to go to the forums to ask questions
and get answers but could not because new players are not allowed to post. That left a bad first impression for me about EVE right away.

However it forced me to research eve on my own. I spent some 30+ hours learning about eve on the internet and in the end I am better off for it than having a few questions answered in the forums early on. But if I were the kind of person that did not have the time to do that research then it most likely would have been the end of my eve career right then and there.

Tutorials are a bit unpleasant, but the NPC corps needs a serious revisit. What motivation to the story do they provide. They are completely useless to new players, and old players just use them to harass others. There shouldn't be a pressure to join a player corp just to figure out the game.

There seems to be plenty of feedback out there. Just an exampe: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53598
Most of the complains make sense. Since this thread is at least 5 months old, and no change was introduced, i do not believe that there will be any change at all. Changeresistance with hardener active at 100%.

We're not resistance to improvement, but we are resistant to someone coming in and saying the very fundamental principle of the game needs to change.

It would be like you starting world of tanks and then posting a feedback thread, saying the first 10 matches should be just you in a car driving around and enjoying the countryside, it's not going to happen. I know you don't see that yet, however.

The above is what you said earlier. Understand there is no "early" "mid" or "lategame" in EvE or any concept thereof. It's not a themepark MMO (like Star Trek online) where you grind to level 20/80 and then start taking part in the end game content. You can do (within some reason) everything a 9 year veteran can do within your first month.

Some players join EvE and jump straight to nullsec and take part in massive fleet battles on their FIRST day of EvE, because they join a corporation/alliance that shows them how to get involved.

There's no leveling, there's no grind, it's just the sandbox and everyone is in the same box from the moment they first login.

@Khanh'rhh, you are irrelePHant to this discussion. Talking to you is like talking with the pope from 15th century who belives that earth is the center of universe. You are just repeating and defending the way you know. You just got used to it.
But you are right about the 1 month and 9 years player.
Lets focus now on the first 15 minutes of EVE experience. Khanh'rhh do you think that anything should be updated or improved?

I like the idea from kopfy. U still get to do alle the tutorialmissions but presentation should be much more appealing to a player. If that scares some people, you can always include a big "BUTTON : OPT OUT" and do it your own way.

Nah man, i will stop for now wasting my time on trying to help to improve something, where it is so clear and obvious that new approaches and updates are not desired. The response is always the same: SANDBOX

Just lean back and enjoy the game for another 9 years.

I haven't done the Tutorial or Career Agents for quite a while now but they are a lot better than they used to be. I hope you stick with the game, it gets a lot easier as you progress. The first month is probably the toughest.

That was a good idea you had about Aura being a Hologram image. Definitely would add a bit more immersion. As for having a bunch of different items in your Captains Quarters, well, you're just starting out so you really wouldn't have anything. The Aura NPE Tutorial should inform you of the basics and after completing it, direct you to the Career Agents.

As for the Exploration Career Agent, that's to get you familiarized with the various different Cosmic Signatures and working with the Scanning UI. In fact, all of the Career Agents should be set up to teach you and familiarize you with the various options pertaining to that Career. Each one gives you specific tasks to complete and if needed can be repeated through Eve Help (F12 Key) - Tutorials. Granted the Tutorial and the Career Agents may need some refinement so knowing which part was troublesome is definitely important. After completing the Career Agents, they should mention the Sisters Of Eve Epic Arc and inform you that you can now venture out into the Eve Universe and try your luck at the various Career options available.

The Level 1 SoE Epic Arc is designed to give you a vague idea on how large the Eve Universe is, which is actually quite large. It also introduces you to the different traits of the various factions / races in Eve, pertaining to a Role Playing aspect.

As for doing stuff with other players right from the start, you and your friends could have fleeted up for the missions and learned how to work together. There's usually someone in the NPC corp chat who could use help and if you're having problems understanding something, there's older players who can answer questions.

Anyway, there's a lot of different things to remember when first starting this game in order to just survive and the amount of information needed to retain for success is quite large. It definitely can't be gained within the first 15 minutes and you won't learn it all from the Career Agents either. I've been playing this game for 4 years and I still learn something new every day.

Might be a good idea for Aura to ask new players what type of Career path they would like to pursue and then direct the player to the appropriate Career Agent. Aura should definitely inform new players about how to gain info, such as looking in the Evelopedia, asking in corp chat, etc.

Anyway, guess I'll have to run the New Player Experience again with an alt character.


DMC

You can already run missions together and you can also drag the journal entry to chat.

What he means, is he wants to do the SOE arc as a co-op thing and not essentially do it twice in tandem. Currently if 2 people did it together it would be 2 people doing the whole thing, whether they fleeted to run them or not.

Having the SOE arc as a "special case" where you could elect, say, to run it through as three people would be cool.

However, older players would exploit this by running it more regularly for the standings haul -- perhaps make it so the big standings hit doesn't land on subsequent run-throughs?

I like the idea, it does even more to encourage co-operation.

I don't know what you expected, really. If you look at trailers for just about any game they're gonna show you the decked out toons fighting giant dragons, all of which is probably only available "late game". They're not going to show you the beginning zone, walking around as a naked noob trying to figure out which weapons and armor you use and which spells do what. They want to show you the best parts of the game, which are often the parts you have to work towards.

Eve is a niche game. It's not meant to an all-encompassing genre. It's part strategy, part mmorpg, part sandbox, part spreadsheet. It's a lot of different things to alot of different people. You like it or you don't.

There are plenty of us who made it past these "flaws" to see this game for it's possibilities. It's a big learning curve, but imho it's worth it.

As for being "forced" to join a corp, far from it. Like any game, joining a corp (or a guild) is beneficial in many ways, but not at all something you HAVE to do. If you want to be social, the easiest way is joining a corp, but it's entirely up to you. That's like complaining that you want to shoot missiles but you're "forced" to equip a missile launcher.

If you like the game, play it. Don't let what other people think or say about it change your feelings about it.

Good luck, and fly safe! o/