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Defending against Ganking possible ?

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Rajan Marelona
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-06-03 09:11:20 UTC
There are two ways to protect from most suicide gankers : have more tank than they expect you to have, or fly something that is not worth ganking.
Lexmana
#22 - 2012-06-03 09:45:50 UTC
Maddy Joringer wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
As soon as the ganker shoots you in highsec, they get a GCC, which allows other players to shoot them for 15 minutes, meaning any player who is nearby that wants to shoot back at the ganker can go right ahead. CONCORD just prevents you from pre-emptively shooting at the ganker without having the same set of consequences they do when they gank.



Any ganker which shoots me in highsec is gonna get blown up by concord or me .. Gankers are suicide squads..the Trick is to preemptively attack them.... there is no point shooting a suicide bomber after he has blown himself up....

Hence.... the game mechanics favours the gankers too much and makes miners in high sec totally helpless.... CCP should fix this....

A gank fit tornado has even less tank than a max yield hulk. How can it be impossible to gank back? Miners are helpless by choice not by game design.
Maddy Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-06-03 09:50:23 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Maddy Joringer wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
As soon as the ganker shoots you in highsec, they get a GCC, which allows other players to shoot them for 15 minutes, meaning any player who is nearby that wants to shoot back at the ganker can go right ahead. CONCORD just prevents you from pre-emptively shooting at the ganker without having the same set of consequences they do when they gank.



Any ganker which shoots me in highsec is gonna get blown up by concord or me .. Gankers are suicide squads..the Trick is to preemptively attack them.... there is no point shooting a suicide bomber after he has blown himself up....

Hence.... the game mechanics favours the gankers too much and makes miners in high sec totally helpless.... CCP should fix this....

A gank fit tornado has even less tank than a max yield hulk. How can it be impossible to gank back? Miners are helpless by choice not by game design.


Gank the gankers ?
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-06-03 09:59:16 UTC
Maddy Joringer wrote:
Gank the gankers ?


If you like. Wait for them to open fire and killing them back saves you your ship and sec status (which lets you use something more suited to the task).

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-06-03 10:04:08 UTC
Maddy Joringer wrote:
How do u defend against Gankers ? am a new player and i honestly got no clue....

Yesterday i saw a known ganker come into a system and there was nothing i could do about it, coz if i ever attacked him i would get blown up by concord... I was actually thinking in the lines of creating an anti ganking unit or.... Miner protection squads...but. I don't have a clue how to do it if concord gets in the way ....

BTW..am brand new.....



Short version, you can't shoot it before he gives the first shot to someone.

Then 2 things happen, he becomes global and everyone can shoot including you but at this right moment YOU give his corp/fleet mates the right to hunt you and take you down for 15min.

If you really want to pvp in good conditions without having to use all the perv mechanics of high sec move on to some better place. High sec it's by far the worst form of pvp in this game, Even Wow pvp servers are a lot better, players skill too.

brb
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-06-03 10:23:38 UTC
Probability defense.

In short: Do not mine where the gankers are.

Needs a little experience and some research.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-06-03 10:24:02 UTC
Maddy Joringer wrote:


Any ganker which shoots me in highsec is gonna get blown up by concord or me .. Gankers are suicide squads..the Trick is to preemptively attack them.... there is no point shooting a suicide bomber after he has blown himself up....

Hence.... the game mechanics favours the gankers too much and makes miners in high sec totally helpless.... CCP should fix this....

Exactly, so the best defense is to just not do any mining and file a complaint with CCP.


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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-06-03 10:30:41 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
file a complaint with CCP.


Regarding?

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Lexmana
#29 - 2012-06-03 10:33:32 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Maddy Joringer wrote:


Any ganker which shoots me in highsec is gonna get blown up by concord or me .. Gankers are suicide squads..the Trick is to preemptively attack them.... there is no point shooting a suicide bomber after he has blown himself up....

Hence.... the game mechanics favours the gankers too much and makes miners in high sec totally helpless.... CCP should fix this....

Exactly, so the best defense is to just not do any mining and file a complaint with CCP.

Because you are entitled to .... what exactly?
gfldex
#30 - 2012-06-03 10:43:01 UTC
Maddy Joringer wrote:
this sounds more like an exploit .. IF there is a lack of effective counter for ganking


There are very effective ways to counter suicide ganks. But why would we tell you? We _want_ to gank folk who don't even want to spend the few seconds it needs to write a proper, easy to read sentence.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-06-03 10:43:08 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
As soon as the ganker shoots you in highsec, they get a GCC, which allows other players to shoot them for 15 minutes


It takes 5 seconds to destroy Hulk. It takes 10 seconds to GCC flag to appear. No point on shooting them when gank is already over. After they lose their ship or eject they warp to station and wait there 15 minutes for GCC flag to drop.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-06-03 10:55:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
It takes 5 seconds to destroy Hulk. It takes 10 seconds to GCC flag to appear. No point on shooting them when gank is already over.


When you talk about things in-game, are you deliberately lying or do you really just not know how anything works at all, ever?

Then again, I should expect nothing less from the person who was trying to convince people that an 8 mil DG Therm hardener was actually a 70mil mod.

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gfldex
#33 - 2012-06-03 10:58:16 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
It takes 5 seconds to destroy Hulk. It takes 10 seconds to GCC flag to appear. No point on shooting them when gank is already over. After they lose their ship or eject they warp to station and wait there 15 minutes for GCC flag to drop.


It takes (up to) 10 seconds for the GCC to show up in local chat. On grid the GCC is there in the same second the guns of the catalyst cycle the first time. (That's the irony. We don't even talk about a Thorax. It's just a bloody destroyer that can be one volleyed by pretty much anything.)

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#34 - 2012-06-03 11:04:22 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
As soon as the ganker shoots you in highsec, they get a GCC, which allows other players to shoot them for 15 minutes


It takes 5 seconds to destroy Hulk. It takes 10 seconds to GCC flag to appear. No point on shooting them when gank is already over. After they lose their ship or eject they warp to station and wait there 15 minutes for GCC flag to drop.


Stop lying. It takes the full 15s before CONCORD arrives to kill the tanked Hulk, and you can start shooting as soon as they do.

If your Hulk fit gets killed in 5s, you either pissed someone off and they wanted overkill, or you didn't tank your hulk at all.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2012-06-03 11:09:33 UTC
Fit a tank...
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-06-03 11:15:58 UTC
gfldex wrote:
(That's the irony. We don't even talk about a Thorax. It's just a bloody destroyer that can be one volleyed by pretty much anything.)


Not true. With 3,8k EHP you need at least the Arty Tornado or the Tach Oracle.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#37 - 2012-06-03 11:23:05 UTC
All you can do is make yourself unattractive, but you're never going to be totally safe.

Think of it like the ocean. You can be sleek and efficient, but you look pretty tasty when that's all you are. If you're a blowfish however, only the hungriest predators will try to take a bite.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#38 - 2012-06-03 11:24:06 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
gfldex wrote:
(That's the irony. We don't even talk about a Thorax. It's just a bloody destroyer that can be one volleyed by pretty much anything.)


Not true. With 3,8k EHP you need at least the Arty Tornado or the Tach Oracle.


An AC Nado with 425s (for tracking) does 2200 per volley and hits once every 3s, 2 vollying a Catalyst, well before even an untanked Hulk is going to die.

With 800s and a wee bit of distance gets 3400 per volley, which would one volley my Gank alt's Catalyst (Gank alts tend not to have all those pesky tanking skills you need to have at 5 to get 3800 EHP on an untanked Dessie)

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-06-03 11:28:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
RubyPorto wrote:
(Gank alts tend not to have all those pesky tanking skills you need to have at 5 to get 3800 EHP on an untanked Dessie)


Slaves...

And only the stupid people would shoot your pod because they would get Concorded just for doing that.
Aerethir El-Kharisti
#40 - 2012-06-03 11:36:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Aerethir El-Kharisti
If that in fact -was- a brand new player, I'd say, either tank-tank or speed tank and don't wear expensive implants when mining, but yeah, there is a lot of rabble in this thread already :P

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