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Are Exhumer's a dead ship line ?
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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2012-06-03 07:56:55 UTC
Spikeflach wrote:
How close do the destroyers get to the hulks when ganking?

Hulks don't necessarily have the longest targeting range, and the drones do have a travel time.

But can drones kill a ganker faster than concord?


Depends on the blasters used and the ammo type but the optimals are like 1-2k, so they've got to get right up in the Hulk's face. A Hulk can also target a destroyer in about 2 seconds (1.8 on an all V char, 2.3 on a char that doesn't have any levels of Signature Analysis). That said, I don't know if a rack of Hobgoblins could take out a Catalyst before it does its damage, though it's kind of a moot point as most of the "shoot it back" suggestions are pointing towards having another ship there with you.

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Pisov viet
Perkone
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-06-03 08:00:49 UTC
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That said, I don't know if a rack of Hobgoblins could take out a Catalyst before it does its damage, though it's kind of a moot point as most of the "shoot it back" suggestions are pointing towards having another ship there with you.

Not hobgoblins, but ECM drones. 5 of them, even light, would have good chances to disrupt the catalyst, preventing him to deal too much damages until the CONCORD comes.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#103 - 2012-06-03 08:02:46 UTC
That's true too. Pretty much anything that throws the already-tight DPS needs off would mean surviving.

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slim fruit fruitloafers
Amarrian Bakery Corp
#104 - 2012-06-03 08:42:44 UTC
come on ccp what is your response to high sec ganking being funded by the biggest corporation in the game ?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#105 - 2012-06-03 08:44:10 UTC
slim fruit fruitloafers wrote:
come on ccp what is your response to high sec ganking being funded by the biggest corporation in the game ?

Roughly speaking:
"Emergent Gameplay is Cool"

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Isana Austrene
Nuclear Manhattan Limited
#106 - 2012-06-03 09:23:20 UTC
Here's what has me scratching my head.

A Hulk is maybe twice as efficient at mining as a Covetor.

The Hulk costs an order of magnitude more than the Covetor.

Pardon the newbie's question, but under what circumstances does it even make sense to buy a Hulk, if the more expensive ship's defenses can't stand up to determined suicide gankers?
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2012-06-03 09:26:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Isana Austrene wrote:
Pardon the newbie's question, but under what circumstances does it even make sense to buy a Hulk, if the more expensive ship's defenses can't stand up to determined suicide gankers?


Some people fit a tank and make themselves worthless to gankers. Others find different places to mine. Others mine in lowsec or nullsec where the protection thing is taken care of by actual players rather than relying on CONCORD.

This is Eve - if a ship isn't worth it to you, by all means, don't fly it. Whether a ship is worth it or not, or makes sense to buy, is 100% in the eye of the beholder. Except Electronic Attack Ships.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#108 - 2012-06-03 09:27:59 UTC
Isana Austrene wrote:
Here's what has me scratching my head.

A Hulk is maybe twice as efficient at mining as a Covetor.

The Hulk costs an order of magnitude more than the Covetor.

Pardon the newbie's question, but under what circumstances does it even make sense to buy a Hulk, if the more expensive ship's defenses can't stand up to determined suicide gankers?


*Hhheeeze* Musht have MOAR Yields *Gheeheeze**snerkt*

Honestly, if you're willing to put in the effort to keep it alive, a Hulk will pay off the difference reasonably quickly. You just can't pay off that difference AFK anymore, so it's probably not worth it in HS.

In Null, the Hulk is better and losing a Hulk in null is rare.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#109 - 2012-06-03 10:19:57 UTC
Isana Austrene wrote:
Here's what has me scratching my head.

A Hulk is maybe twice as efficient at mining as a Covetor.

The Hulk costs an order of magnitude more than the Covetor.

Pardon the newbie's question, but under what circumstances does it even make sense to buy a Hulk, if the more expensive ship's defenses can't stand up to determined suicide gankers?


The defences of a hulk are more than able to stand up to the vast bulk of gankers but only if the pilot makes use of the defences. An untanked hulk will die as easily as an untanked heavy assault ship.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#110 - 2012-06-03 11:11:44 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Oh, ffs. Here too?
Lustralis wrote:
There's a reason the majority of players are in high sec and there's a reason CCP are still in business. The two are directly correlated.
Just one problem: we don't know how large a portion of players are in highsec.


It seems to be 66%.

[Source: Low Sec by the Numbers]

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#111 - 2012-06-03 11:18:19 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Oh, ffs. Here too?
Lustralis wrote:
There's a reason the majority of players are in high sec and there's a reason CCP are still in business. The two are directly correlated.
Just one problem: we don't know how large a portion of players are in highsec.


It seems to be 66%.

[Source: Low Sec by the Numbers]


That's a snapshot of the number of characters, not people in various security levels. I personally have 2 characters in Null and... uh, 6 in HS and 1 in Low atm. I play the game in Null primarily and that's the area I identify with.

Most people in Null have at least one character in HS, even if it's just a Jita alt to make contracts.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Arras Denard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-06-03 12:20:02 UTC
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Exhumers don't belong in high-sec, but they're not a dead ship line.


Statements like these remind me of children playing; the bossy child always sets the rules that work out in his/her favor. When they don't get their way, often they run home refusing to play with others. Let's hope this is true in this case Blink
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#113 - 2012-06-03 13:12:32 UTC
Arras Denard wrote:
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Exhumers don't belong in high-sec, but they're not a dead ship line.


Statements like these remind me of children playing; the bossy child always sets the rules that work out in his/her favor. When they don't get their way, often they run home refusing to play with others. Let's hope this is true in this case Blink

No one said they shouldn't be allowed, just that they were meant for low/null.

Do we get to use bombers to their full potential in high, or recons, or blops battleships? No, they are just squishy examples of ships that are not meant for the environment. Doesn't mean people don't use them.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#114 - 2012-06-03 13:38:46 UTC
When people say Hulk is designed for nullsec mining, they should also know that Covertor's can't be tanked in any way. One Catalyst can take out three of them in 0.5.
5pinDizzy
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#115 - 2012-06-03 13:42:07 UTC
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Lustralis wrote:
Spot on though.

We're talking about a ship line that is generally flown in high-sec by a bunch of whiny, entitled, AFK idiots who actually don't play the game, not combat ships that generally require that you pay some attention to the game.

Also, most high-sec exhumer pilots can't be bothered to protect their investment (and that means more than insurance). vOv


Agree 100%, but banning exhumers from highsec doesn't fix anything and can probably never be justified. "The stargate denies you permission to jump because we don't want your shiptype in highsec".

The real fix I've always believed was make mining "generally require that you pay some attention to the game" and there are some great ways to, but even though some people have tried for years and years to get mining changed to make it a bit more engaging CCP has never listened.

Rather than spending resources all the time on trying to get rid of bots when they all come back again, I wish just once they'd actually revamp mining and let the revamped mining system itself be it's own form of ingame "capcha" by making it need more from a user.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#116 - 2012-06-03 13:44:27 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
When people say Hulk is designed for nullsec mining, they should also know that Covertor's can't be tanked in any way. One Catalyst can take out three of them in 0.5.


Only if they are dumb enough to mine all within 10km of each other, otherwise CONCORD will get them after the first.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#117 - 2012-06-03 13:48:59 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
When people say Hulk is designed for nullsec mining, they should also know that Covertor's can't be tanked in any way. One Catalyst can take out three of them in 0.5.


Only if they are dumb enough to mine all within 10km of each other, otherwise CONCORD will get them after the first.


Three words: Orca, corp and hangar.
Pisov viet
Perkone
Caldari State
#118 - 2012-06-03 13:56:39 UTC
Isana Austrene wrote:
Here's what has me scratching my head.

A Hulk is maybe twice as efficient at mining as a Covetor.

The Hulk costs an order of magnitude more than the Covetor.

Pardon the newbie's question, but under what circumstances does it even make sense to buy a Hulk, if the more expensive ship's defenses can't stand up to determined suicide gankers?

If you dont lose it, you eventually end up paying back for the hulk and making a profit. If you dont lose it.
It also tank NPC with ease and have various advantages (larger cargo, for instance)

But of course, any bonus will go to waste if you're not able to take advantage of them.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#119 - 2012-06-03 13:58:52 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
When people say Hulk is designed for nullsec mining, they should also know that Covertor's can't be tanked in any way. One Catalyst can take out three of them in 0.5.


Only if they are dumb enough to mine all within 10km of each other, otherwise CONCORD will get them after the first.


Three words: Orca, corp and hangar.

If they are using an orca to avoid being blown up, then by all means report them to CCP. That would be an exploit.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#120 - 2012-06-03 14:02:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Tallian Saotome wrote:
If they are using an orca to avoid being blown up, then by all means report them to CCP. That would be an exploit.


You can try it yourself.

Distance to Orca: 20km

Try to open corp hangar and then move items from your ship's cargo to Orca's corp hangar.

You can use carrier to test this if you don't have skills for Orca.