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Contest: Kill the Drake, win a prize! 100m isk!
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Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#21 - 2012-06-02 19:49:49 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
Thorax can't, not enough EHP for its dps
Same for the Talos, EHP/DPS isn't enough
You missed the significant damage mitigation of my proposal that they were AB fitted.

Liam Mirren wrote:
Daneel Trevize wrote:
Why not test this on Sisi and not waste isk on ships & fits? And be able to go through hull.
Sure, lets delete this and other similar forums and replace it with "if you have a question, go figure it out on sisi".
I am not suggesting the discussion is invalid, simply that then ingame testing several fits purely against your own alt is a waste of isk if it can be done for free on Sisi. Do pay attention.
Korg Tronix wrote:
in fact that drake fit would die to anything that can tank its damage for long enough to kill it.
That is how the game works, yes. Lol
The point in this case being that the Drake usually has quite a lot of tank for its class.
Viribus
Aurora.
The Initiative.
#22 - 2012-06-02 20:00:09 UTC
The answer to this question is "literally any BC with an active tank"

Even some stupid dualrep/ab blaster prophecy would whip that drake silly

watch me be a scurb and get owned
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#23 - 2012-06-02 21:27:02 UTC
It doesnt need to be active tanked. An armor cane or armor harb or plated myrm would all smash it.
Viribus
Aurora.
The Initiative.
#24 - 2012-06-02 21:38:47 UTC
Arcturus Ursidae
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-06-02 22:17:00 UTC
Theoretically with a myrm he can kill your drones and the guns alone may not break his tank, it will take a while but he has his own drones and a lot of EHP to grind down. Then Stalemate.

The Drake fit is not great from an in game perspective but for theory crafting I think it is harder to beat than people might think. It has almost 100K EHP and peak recharge of 200 DPS depending on damage. EFT says 510 DPS which is not that terrible.

For fun I would say DPS Brutix, this should have about half the EHP but double the DPS.

Race to the finish see who wins. Almost 55k EHP versus Kinetic and 1029DPS, note that Kin therm are the Drakes weakest resists.

[Brutix, DPS Vrs EHP]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hammerhead II x5
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#26 - 2012-06-02 22:32:10 UTC
Daneel Trevize wrote:
Korg Tronix wrote:
in fact that drake fit would die to anything that can tank its damage for long enough to kill it.
That is how the game works, yes. Lol
The point in this case being that the Drake usually has quite a lot of tank for its class.


True, just trying to point out that pretty much any active tanked BC would kill this, as well as the buffer tanked BCs (Cane, Harb, Myrm). Its a terrible Drake fit.

Ishtar, Gila, Deimos and the Sacriledge could all kill this.

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Alara IonStorm
#27 - 2012-06-02 22:52:25 UTC
Arcturus Ursidae wrote:
Theoretically with a myrm he can kill your drones and the guns alone may not break his tank, it will take a while but he has his own drones and a lot of EHP to grind down. Then Stalemate.


In reality he has no web and you can just pull back any Drone taking damage. Even if he manages to somehow in all unlikelihood pop even one you still have 5 Hobgoblins and 5 more Warriors which is enough to break his tank.
Izo Alabaster
Black Death Skorpions of Death
#28 - 2012-06-03 01:21:14 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
It doesnt need to be active tanked. An armor cane or armor harb or plated myrm would all smash it.



Go ahead, post a fit. I'll test it out.

I might be wrong (and that's the point of making this thread), but to be honest, I think you're underestimating things a bit. Gun traverse and falloff work against the max dps of Canes and Harbingers, while that drake setup will widdle down most buffer fits before they can widdle him down.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-06-03 02:05:58 UTC
Izo Alabaster wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
It doesnt need to be active tanked. An armor cane or armor harb or plated myrm would all smash it.



Go ahead, post a fit. I'll test it out.

I might be wrong (and that's the point of making this thread), but to be honest, I think you're underestimating things a bit. Gun traverse and falloff work against the max dps of Canes and Harbingers, while that drake setup will widdle down most buffer fits before they can widdle him down.


A Drake isn't pulling transversal against any close-range turrets and the best place to engage is point-blank since none of the Drake's DPS is mitigated by range.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#30 - 2012-06-03 04:26:13 UTC
Izo Alabaster wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
It doesnt need to be active tanked. An armor cane or armor harb or plated myrm would all smash it.



Go ahead, post a fit. I'll test it out.


Your tests are rather worthless tbh
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-06-03 04:26:50 UTC
[Hurricane, antidrake]

Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Kinetic Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Large Capacitor Battery II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
10MN Afterburner II

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket

Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hornet EC-300 x5
Hornet EC-300 x1


pretty sure something like this will do. orbit at 5-8km. use rockets to kill the drakes drones. (if the drake pilot is 'allowed' to use ecm drones, use light missile launchers with FoF.) between the speed tank and the your ECM drones, your tank should hold long enough to break the drake's shield.

P.S.: in spite of starting distance being 20km off, i fit a scrambler over a disruptor because the drake warping off instantly would be kind of silly.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Izo Alabaster
Black Death Skorpions of Death
#32 - 2012-06-03 05:29:26 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Izo Alabaster wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
It doesnt need to be active tanked. An armor cane or armor harb or plated myrm would all smash it.



Go ahead, post a fit. I'll test it out.


Your tests are rather worthless tbh



NO U!
Red zeon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-06-03 21:20:05 UTC
at work atm, so i dont have eft here
the weakspot for the passive drake is the cap. it usually has a hard time running the hardeners when neuted.
so ships that deal em dmg and can neut, fitted against that drake will probably win

a hurricane fitted with 2neuts and 6autocannons

cap booster,
scram
ab
web

gyro
1600 tungsten
explotion hardener
kinetic hardener (most often drakes will do kinetic dmg)
eanm
dmg control

5x ecm drones
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-06-03 21:23:56 UTC
ECM
/thread
Pay up.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-06-03 21:37:00 UTC
shield gank talos.

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Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-06-03 22:03:59 UTC
How about a shield tanked myrm, 3 DDAs in lows, auto cannons or artys in hi slots?

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Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#37 - 2012-06-03 23:29:23 UTC
The drake has no neut or web. an AF could probobly kill it...
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#38 - 2012-06-04 00:43:03 UTC
That's a lot of hardeners pulling on the drake's already weak capacitor. I think a played cane with 2x medium neuts, or 1 med 1 small could easily cap the enemy out and peel away the softened shields with RF EM or PP.

6x 220mm ACs
2x Neuts, sized to taste/fit

Scram
Web
AB (to sig tank missiles further)
Small cap booster (keep everything running)

1600mm RT plate
2x EANM
DCU
2x Gyro

3x Trimarks

5x ECM drones
1x Warrior 2

Should still be fast enough to snare drake with OH'd web, then just orbit at 5-6k, turn on the neuts and start chipping away. Eventually the hardeners die, so you can turn the medium neut off, or stagger it to hit in the middle of every other small cycle.
Since you'll be there for an hour, you can swap one ECM drone out when you get a successful jam and hunt his drones with your lone badass warrior. Drone micro ftw.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#39 - 2012-06-04 13:44:22 UTC
Unimaginative Guy wrote:
The drake has no neut or web. an AF could probobly kill it...


An rifter with a nos and SAR could probably kill it
Nayl Mkoll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-06-04 19:35:48 UTC
Unit757 wrote:
Looks like fun, I'll toss this in here.

[Ferox, Flight I]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Medium Nosferatu II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Hornet II x5


If we can give you specific instructions for flying our fits, then pulse the MWD enough to keep in range :P



As Im at work with out access to EFT or PYFA Ill edit the above ferox fit with my own as best as i can remember but with new hybrid buff you can easily fit neutrons, you might have to drop the medium nos for a small.

[Ferox, Flight I]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Medium Cap Booster 2 (400 charges)
Warp Disruptor II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Sheild Booster 2

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Small Nosferatu II (cant remmeber if this part fits)

Medium Core Defense Operation solidifier
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I (switch for damage rig)
Drones your choice but if you wanna be a real **** use ecm drones.

Ive beaten drakes one on one with this before

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