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Has Hatred gone too far CCP?
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ashley Eoner
#141 - 2012-06-02 19:06:43 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
It is not 'common knowledge', it is merely the oft stated uninformed opinion of 'some' of the Eve community.

Scare quotes or no, it's common knowledge.

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It is the miner's fault for not tanking properly. There is no Hulk tank that can survive a well planned gank.

Again, that's true of any ship with a finite number of hitpoints. It's not an excuse for not tanking, and it's certainly not an excuse for demanding a buff to hitpoints--indeed, it's an argument against it, since a "well-planned gank" could still kill buffed hulks.

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It is the norm for miners to mine afk. It is impossible to know that any given miner is afk.

They admit it. They revel in it. It's a status symbol for them to automate the mining process as much as possible. They think they're "cool" because they watch Netflix while mining.
Yet in this very thread you have many miners saying the exact opposite. There isn't a single miner behaving in the way you're attempting to claim all behave in.

Should I assume since you like pvp that your penis is small and your life is so unrewarding that the only joy you can muster is in a fake world? That without this fake world your pathetic existence would potentially come to an end as a result of your deep depression?
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2012-06-02 19:08:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Degren
ashley Eoner wrote:
Should I assume since you like pvp that your ***** is small and your life is so unrewarding that the only joy you can muster is in a fake world? That without this fake world your pathetic existence would potentially come to an end as a result of your deep depression?


Says the crying npc forum alt?

Hello, hello again.
ashley Eoner
#143 - 2012-06-02 19:10:27 UTC
Degren wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Should I assume since you like pvp that your ***** is small and your life is so unrewarding that the only joy you can muster is in a fake world? That without this fake world your pathetic existence would potentially come to an end as a result of your deep depression?


Says the crying npc forum alt?
This is my main what are you talking about?
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2012-06-02 19:12:30 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Degren wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Should I assume since you like pvp that your ***** is small and your life is so unrewarding that the only joy you can muster is in a fake world? That without this fake world your pathetic existence would potentially come to an end as a result of your deep depression?


Says the crying npc forum alt?
This is my main what are you talking about?


That makes it even better.

Hello, hello again.
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#145 - 2012-06-02 19:29:31 UTC
Degren wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Degren wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Should I assume since you like pvp that your ***** is small and your life is so unrewarding that the only joy you can muster is in a fake world? That without this fake world your pathetic existence would potentially come to an end as a result of your deep depression?


Says the crying npc forum alt?
This is my main what are you talking about?


That makes it even better.


Says the goon pet-alliance drone.

Out of curiosity, is it hard to talk with that goon scroat-sack bouncing off your chin? Lol

Nothing clever at this time.
Leto Atraities
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#146 - 2012-06-02 19:32:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Atraities
Tippia wrote:
Leto Atraities wrote:
if a hulk was given enough pg to fit a large shield extender (example compared to all cruisers that use them) then would anybody be even contemplating to use of a catalyst(s) or thrasher(s)? hell no! it'd be brutix(s) and tornado(s) instead.
Yes, they would, because most likely, the miners would be as reticent to fit a tank as they are now, and they'd still die horribly and come back and ask for more…

You can already make a Hulk completely safe from any kind of destroyer. You can make it safe from a solo Tornado. Hell, with a bit of fidgeting, you can make it safe from two Tornadoes (and with help, as many as three or four).

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and if it really didn't matter if the hulk did get more pg to fit a bigger buffer (in fairness to cruiser fitting wise) then why all the resistance to it?
Because it's not needed. It can already have that bigger buffer, but for some reason, people refuse to make use of that option. Their choice is not a game design problem or a balancing issue.

ashley Eoner wrote:
That's what I said in the first place?
It rather seemed like you said that the Hulks should have a bigger buffer. I'm saying that following the logic you presented for not fitting one right now means that there is no reason to give them that bigger buffer.

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Give them a real buffer and when people are forced into spending +100m and decent skills to suicide a hulk and you'll see a major difference.
Again: you can already do this.



damn i hate work pc and this freakin forum.

ah forget it. i'm not typin all that sh1t again. i agree to disagree! Lol
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2012-06-02 19:33:14 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Tippia wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Tanking will save you from the shmucks but the real gankers won't be slowed a bit by a tank.
…and again, by that reasoning, there's no point in giving Hulks more buffer to begin with.
That's what I said in the first place? Thanks for coming around?


Give them a real buffer and when people are forced into spending +100m and decent skills to suicide a hulk and you'll see a major difference. Right now a relatively fresh account can easily hop in a destroyer and gank some hulks (if the hulk is tanked then you'd need a few more alts to get the job done).



As for me my hulks are fully tanked and supported by an orca with shield harmonizer. I've debated on using support drones but their effectiveness is debatable at best.

We've ganked a freighter with 150 thrashers, just because we could.

Buff freighters?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
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#148 - 2012-06-02 19:59:06 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Yet in this very thread you have many miners saying the exact opposite.

Miners lie.

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There isn't a single miner behaving in the way you're attempting to claim all behave in.

You're right, there isn't a "single" miner behaving in the way I describe; they're all behaving in the way I describe. Blink

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De Veresse
One Horse Trading
#149 - 2012-06-02 20:04:10 UTC
I was talking to CCP Soundwave the other day. We were having a beer and saying that we need to find ways to promote hate in this game. Everybody's trying to chum it up. Because it was great - Goons versus BoB. Bad things happened to kick off that rivalry, which were pretty unpleasant, but it led to this in-game absolute hatred. When you saw Mercenary Coalition going against Goons and kicking them out of Syndicate and various other places, and those guys were just going at it on CAOD. It was great, great entertainment. Loads of conflict going on - not because they necessarily wanted the ground, but just because they wanted to annihilate each other.

-jon lander to ten ton hammer.
ashley Eoner
#150 - 2012-06-02 20:05:47 UTC
James 315 wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Yet in this very thread you have many miners saying the exact opposite.

Miners lie.

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There isn't a single miner behaving in the way you're attempting to claim all behave in.

You're right, there isn't a "single" miner behaving in the way I describe; they're all behaving in the way I describe. Blink
Way to clip a quote out of context but I guess the ends justify the means to you so long as you can make it appear you're right.

Obviously facts don't matter to you and only what you 'feel" is right matters so I don't even understand why you're bothering with posting? Surely if you believe what you believe is completely correct then it doesn't matter if the rest of us are clueless to you..
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2012-06-02 20:11:06 UTC
Nick Bison wrote:
abloobloobloo


Didn't you quit?

Hello, hello again.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#152 - 2012-06-02 20:15:18 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Obviously facts don't matter to you and only what you 'feel" is right matters so I don't even understand why you're bothering with posting? Surely if you believe what you believe is completely correct then it doesn't matter if the rest of us are clueless to you..

So I can convince as many other people as possible that I am right. If we're going to eliminate the highsec miners, we're going to need all the help we can get. Smile

MinerBumping.com
ashley Eoner
#153 - 2012-06-02 20:16:46 UTC
James 315 wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Obviously facts don't matter to you and only what you 'feel" is right matters so I don't even understand why you're bothering with posting? Surely if you believe what you believe is completely correct then it doesn't matter if the rest of us are clueless to you..

So I can convince as many other people as possible that I am right. If we're going to eliminate the highsec miners, we're going to need all the help we can get. Smile
But it's so blatantly obvious according to you. So why should you bother with the average idiot who cannot understand your glorious vision for this game?
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2012-06-02 20:18:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Degren
ashley Eoner wrote:
But it's so blatantly obvious according to you. So why should you bother with the average idiot who cannot understand your glorious vision for this game?


Because James 315 is enlightened, spreading the good word to all. Some things that are obvious aren't obvious until reflected upon. You strike me as the type who has had numerous "Ah hah, I wish I'd thought of that" moments in their life.

Hello, hello again.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#155 - 2012-06-02 20:22:55 UTC
Degren wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
But it's so blatantly obvious according to you. So why should you bother with the average idiot who cannot understand your glorious vision for this game?


Because James 315 is enlightened, spreading the good word to all. Some things that are obvious aren't obvious until reflected upon. You strike me as the type who has had numerous "Ah hah, I wish I'd thought of that" moments in their life.



No he's not enlightened because if he was, he'd try to have hi sec completely removed, as hi sec is flawed and rotten at the foundation.

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Ayame Tao
#156 - 2012-06-02 20:27:46 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
It is the miner's fault for not tanking properly. There is no Hulk tank that can survive a well planned gank.


See.. this here is the root of 'the problem'

That's true, a well planned gank is going to get you. What's happening though is not well planned ganks, it's more like drive-bu ganking by lone alts in throwaway destroyers.

Hulks can be made immune to them - i.e. they can't do enough DPS to kill you before being CONCORDed anywhere in hi-sec whilst solo - and even if they brought a friend... Sure, if they scout you and set bookmarks and bring half a dozen friends, you're going home in a pod.

I have no issues with that.

Browsing the kill boards, the vast majority of Hulk kills are to lone Catalysts. And the losers are the very same people behind many of the whinging cries for nerfs and changes and coddling.

If a solo Catalyst killed your Hulk, you're doing it wrong. But they don't want to listen and seem physically incapable of moving the mouse in the manner required to remove a Mining Laser Upgrade II and put a Damge Control in there...
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
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#157 - 2012-06-02 20:31:36 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
But it's so blatantly obvious according to you. So why should you bother with the average idiot who cannot understand your glorious vision for this game?

Because I don't spend my time judging people and putting them down. Instead, I spend my time helping them, so that the world may become a better place for all. Cool

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ashley Eoner
#158 - 2012-06-02 20:32:43 UTC
BTW I watch netflix while running level 4 missions while making WAY more ISK per hour then any of your theoretical afk miners..
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#159 - 2012-06-02 20:33:58 UTC
Not in the mood to EFT warrior it, but doesn't a hulk have some midslots it could use to fit a moderate shield buffer without sacrificing the lowslot MLUs?

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#160 - 2012-06-02 20:35:24 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
BTW I watch netflix while running level 4 missions while making WAY more ISK per hour then any of your theoretical afk miners..

Thats a similar, but hard to economically address, issue.

Plus, most mission runners are not completely failing at fitting their ships. Blink

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