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Tanking the hulk: medium ancillary shield booster

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jlangerud
All Ore Nothing
#61 - 2012-06-01 21:01:42 UTC
Was playing with this and came up with something like this:


[Hulk, Ancillary Shield Booster Fit]

Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Medium Ancillary Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Residual Survey Scanner I

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

232HP/S and 22k EFH without implants or gang boosts.

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2012-06-01 21:04:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Simetraz wrote:
FYI before you go talking about why a high-sec exhumer should sacrifice yield you might want to check with people that mine in 0.0.

You will find they don't sacrifice one little bit yield to mine in Null.

They do unless they want to die to belt/grav site rats, or have another account in a combat to tank the damage.
A highsec player is perfectly capable of keeping a second account logged in at the belt in a falcon in case of gankers.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2012-06-01 21:06:34 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Spikeflach wrote:
I would also suggest that a very large amount of hi sec dwellers actually have vast amounts of knowledge of nullsec.


Yes and people who live in nullsec don't know anywhere near as much about life in nullsec as hisec hulk botters

Agreed. AFK mining in highsec in an untanked hulk is the height of EVE mastery, which is why Hulks and mining are plastered all over the eve trailers.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#64 - 2012-06-01 21:08:43 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
They do unless they want to die to belt/grav site rats, or have another account in a combat to tank the damage.
A highsec player is perfectly capable of keeping a second account logged in at the belt in a falcon in case of gankers.


Bots use shield boosters in null. Usually very expensive shield boosters so those Hulks can easily tank belt rats.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2012-06-01 21:14:47 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
They do unless they want to die to belt/grav site rats, or have another account in a combat to tank the damage.
A highsec player is perfectly capable of keeping a second account logged in at the belt in a falcon in case of gankers.


Bots use shield boosters in null. Usually very expensive shield boosters so those Hulks can easily tank belt rats.

More bots turned out to be in the Forge then in all of null combined. hth
By all means, fit a gistii-B on your hulk and warp to the nearest 0.0 belt, see how long it lasts.
Price Check Aisle3
#66 - 2012-06-01 21:23:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Price Check Aisle3
Simetraz wrote:
And if Hulks don't belong in high-sec then CCP should ban ALL T2 and T3 ships from high-sec.
They really have no business being there.
In fact we should prevent them from even being made in high-sec.

No, you misunderstood me. I said "Hulks don't belong in high-sec", not "Hulks should be prevented from entering high-sec". There's a difference in those statements but I fear it may be too subtle for you to understand.

Similarly, I bought a T3 for exploration and ratting work in low-/null-sec, not to run L4s in high-sec.

The Hulk is too good of a ship for AFK high-sec bot miners who can't be bothered to pay attention to the game.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-06-01 21:28:02 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
By all means, fit a gistii-B on your hulk and warp to the nearest 0.0 belt, see how long it lasts.


[Hulk, active]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster
Gistum B-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Gistum B-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

Should be enough against Guristas.
Lina Alar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2012-06-02 02:20:17 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
[Hulk, New Setup 2]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Mining Drone II x5


37k ehp against blasters but hey I guess 15% more yield is more important than surviving because CCP will make hisec safer for you right?

That fit requires PG implants (just FYI).

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2012-06-02 02:23:49 UTC
WTF OP??? WHAT ABOUT MY ISK/HR??? /capsrage
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2012-06-02 02:24:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
By all means, fit a gistii-B on your hulk and warp to the nearest 0.0 belt, see how long it lasts.


[Hulk, active]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster
Gistum B-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Gistum B-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

Should be enough against Guristas.

So your argument is that all 'botted hulks' in nullsec have been using pimpfits reliant on rigs that came out last week.

Interesting.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2012-06-02 02:28:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Lina Alar wrote:

That fit requires PG implants (just FYI).


Change one rig to an Ancillary Current Router and it fits easily, and you'll still have a 29k EHP omnitank (it's 32k EHP with both CDFE's). You could even upgrade the Shield extender to a Caldari Navy Medium shield (t2 equiv, easier fitting skills, 28mil in Jita), though that might have a negative effect as far as making you an attractive target for only 1k more EHP.

Also for whoever was whining about ECM drones, you can carry a rack of lights (Hornet EC-300) along with a rack of T2 Mining drones (or alternately a rack of any light drones alongside it).

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#72 - 2012-06-02 02:30:43 UTC
Tanked Hulk yield ISK/hr > Max Yield Hulk ISK/hr

How is this possible?

Because Max Yield Hulk ISK/hr = 0 after you get ganked for not fitting a tank.

Math is fun.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-06-02 02:33:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Snow Axe wrote:
Lina Alar wrote:

That fit requires PG implants (just FYI).


Change one rig to an Ancillary Current Router and it fits easily, and you'll still have a 29k EHP omnitank (it's 32k EHP with both CDFE's). You could even upgrade the Shield extender to a Caldari Navy Medium shield (t2 equiv, easier fitting skills, 28mil in Jita), though that might have a negative effect as far as making you an attractive target for only 1k more EHP.

Also for whoever was whining about ECM drones, you can carry a rack of lights (Hornet EC-300) along with a rack of T2 Mining drones (or alternately a rack of any light drones alongside it).

Or just swap the Micro Aux II for a Navy Aux II (7 mil Jita) and then all you need is a +2% implant (3 mil)

bingo, 36K EHP vs blasters achieved
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2012-06-02 02:36:14 UTC
Genolution set and you only need a +1% PG implant

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Hunin Ravensong
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2012-06-02 16:32:26 UTC
Yup, my hulks are "failfit". I have a tank, not mlu's and rock scanners. I found that not replacing my hulk daily + the loots from those blue thrasher wrecks more than compensated me for my lack of the allmighty "ISK Per Hour".

Yes, I am still gankable, no you aren't going to do it in a single ship smaller than a BC.

Odd concept for a lot of you miners, especially if you are used to concord protection - WHEN A COMBAT SHIP LANDS ON GRID, TURN YOUR TANK ON AND RUN LIKE HELL. Not very heroic, but that alone will save a tanked highsec hulk more than 6 out of 10 gank attempts.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#76 - 2012-06-02 16:37:37 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
FYI before you go talking about why a high-sec exhumer should sacrifice yield you might want to check with people that mine in 0.0.

You will find they don't sacrifice one little bit yield to mine in Null.

Now why do you think a high-sec miner should there sacrifice yield ?


Because gank and killing mining barges shows awesome graphics, since most players are in high sec, is working or showing graphics as intended.

Miners are all bots yadayada

Miners don't tank their stuff yadayada

Gank is to hard yadayada

Really, if at this moment some people can't play eve the way they like why being dumb enough to pay and play such poor content game when there are so many others?

brb

Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#77 - 2012-06-02 16:42:07 UTC
Price Check Aisle3 wrote:
Hulks don't belong in high-sec.


dam these space ships in space.. dam the lot of them.. they should just be ships! in.. nowhere! lol
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#78 - 2012-06-02 17:15:49 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
FYI before you go talking about why a high-sec exhumer should sacrifice yield you might want to check with people that mine in 0.0.

You will find they don't sacrifice one little bit yield to mine in Null.

Now why do you think a high-sec miner should there sacrifice yield ?



Cause they made a different tradeoff than HS. Also, try mining in 0.0 the same way you do in High outside HAG (i.e. Semi/Totally AFK). See how well that works. Tanking your Hulk is one of many exciting options the miner has at his disposal.



Here are some options you might try during this trying time.

1. Continue Mining like normal and Accept the losses
2. Continue Mining as normal but in a Covetor and Accept the losses
3. Mine in a Rokh, comfortably immune* to Suicide Ganks
4. Tank your Hulk and Accept a lower number of Losses from edge case profit based ganks.
5. Tank your Hulk with RR and be comfortable immune to Suicide Ganks
6. Mine in a Normally Fit Hulk but use a short range D-Scan to escape ganks
7. Set up safespots such that you can maintain a rough orbit in range of a roid by aligning to each BM in turn
8. Set up Hulks to Web each other, mine aligned to 1 SS at 7m/s (warpable speed) (can be done @ max yield)
9. Watch local for known gankers, accept the occasional gank from unknown ganks
10. Mine in Mission pockets
11. Mine in Grav Sites, occasionally scanning D-Scan
12. Tank your Hulk and have friends in BLAP AC Nados ready to shoot (one should kill a Cat before you die, failing the gank)
13. Tank your Hulk and have friends with ECM
14. Tank your Hulk and run 5x Med ECM drones and accept that you'll die if they fail
15. Mine in Lowsec (can be done solo in a quiet system)
16. Mine in Null (can be done solo in a quiet NPC sov system)
17. Mine in WH space

*all cases of immunity from Suicide Ganks assume profit-based ganks. Non-Profit based ganks are rare and are not something that can be negated by game mechanics changes besides eliminating ganks, thus can be ignored.

All of these options have advantages and disadvantages. All of them will work. Not all of them are perfect.

If ALL of these options do not work for you, please describe your very special situation, and I'll come up with a custom solution or call you names. You know, depending...

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#79 - 2012-06-02 17:21:38 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
Hisec miners deliberately lying and being completely uneducated about things relating to tanks? Well I never!


Haven't mined for over month now. Still waiting a brave ganker to gank my Hulk tanked with shield buffer and station. 20M (+ 100M from Goons) easy money but no one is interested.


10m. The bounty is 100m per 10 Hulks, or 10m per Hulk. Stop lying.

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2012-06-02 23:22:28 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
So I've been messing around with the new ASB modules in pyfa, and I'm finding that one of the most interesting possibilities is giving the Hulk a 200 DPS tank on TOP of a 20k EHP buffer. Pfya lists this as having 20.5k EHP with a 232.4 DPS tank while the booster is running. You can load the booster with ten cap booster 50s and run it cap stable for the duration of an attempted gank (assuming Pyfa is calculating the booster use properly)

It's not fool-proof and no matter what you do you're still vulnerable to two tornado volleys, but it might be a significant difference for those miners who actually pay attention to their surroundings and are able to react to ships appearing on grid.

Why am I, a griefer and supporter of ganking posting this? Because it requires effort and sacrifice. Bots and afk miners need not apply; you have to be paying attention to use this. Max yield addicts who can't live without dual MLUs won't like it either because they'll give up that ~15% yield. I want the people--even the miners--who actually play the game and are willing to put in the time to research and test fits to succeed, this *might* give them an advantage over their afk, inattentive, and ignorant competition.

The fit is a little bit odd-looking and I'm sure could be improved upon. This is just a proof-of-concept at a mixed Hulk tank that might provide some much-needed active tanking. If you have ideas on giving it more tank without absurdly increasing the price, feel free to share.

[Hulk, Tankity]

Damage Control II
Reactor Control Unit II

Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 100
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I



so how many cap booster chargers can you fit in your cargo? Wouldn't it be easier to just fly a Rokh?

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