EVE General Discussion

I think teh end game here is to make miners understand that they are not and should not be invulnerable and should tank their ships, defend their operations and stop trying to get CCP to do teh game for them. It takes minimal effort to protect yourself to a significant level.

It would make those new player tutorial missions more interesting, I'll give you that.

But not Goon ones, right?


Right?

The ENDGAME is the unplugging of the Tranquility Server due to Lack of Interest or Fun.

It is still a joke. It will be until they make it something more interesting than watching paint dry.

Granted. The game play of mining, if you can even call it that, sucks in a big way. I think it's the only aspect of Eve that's had zero iteration other than bigger/better/more. Hell, even E&B mining involved doing something. There have been tons of ideas offered to CCP about how they could make mining more interactive, but we have what we have.

I still stand by my point; if CCP wants live players to do a job that you don't want to do, you need to pay them to do it. I don't think that paying hi-sec miners 20-30Misk/hr for their skills & ship is unfair when compared to players that skill into a Drake to run 4s.
If that's not what CCP wants, they need to drop the presence, bring back gun mining & eliminate ore mining.

Please tell us more about the heroic, well-adjusted, accomplished men who spend their days piling up rocks, all so they can have them disappear when they unsubscribe. Truly these are the role models of EVE.

The problem with your argument was thoroughly dissected in my Manifesto II. Suicide ganking has already been "rebalanced" on multiple occasions. In fact, it may even be the most frequently nerfed thing in EVE. So you have apparently fallen victim to the "one more nerf" syndrome...Nothing personal, it's a very common affliction among certain elements...

"for the lulz" which is the definitiobn of harassment ganking in the actual rules... but vOv

I was always under the impression that the real Hulkageddon (Helicity's prize contest) was created to eliminate mining bots from the game. It may have evolved into a shoot-em-all nowadays, but I thought that was the original intent. Players were frustrated that CCP wasn't acting on an issue they deemed serious so they created a little player-generated content.

I'm less sure there can be an endgame with a neverending Goonageddon. To see what happens maybe? Because they can? Or is it something much-better thought out involving mineral speculation and artificial market inflation? All of the above?

While I'm not personally fond of "ganking" ships that can't fight back, I certainly recognize that in principle, pvp is good for the game's economy. People who lose ships buy new ones. Those ships have mineral costs. Goons are targeting hulks specifically because that benefits their industry but even when they lose 4-5 dessies in their ganks, their losses should benefit the high-sec mineral market.

It's not about hatred. (or at least I hope it isn't) It's not about destroying high-sec. It can't be. That makes no sense. If there's any long-term objective, I'm sure it comes back around to profit and greed. (Which, if proven true, is pretty ironic since I read so many posts about how carebears are evil, greedy, b@stards.) Nothing wrong with it. Greed is a boon to success in a capitalistic system.

The only other thing that even comes to mind is that for the past couple years there's been a notable push to make EVE more pvp-centric. And yes I've heard all the scenarios. (Even mining is pvp etc. Sandboxxx! I got it.) It sorta makes you wonder if the powers that be, through intervention or nonintervention, have ulterior motives of their own. Too many people in high sec? Not enough people in low? Some kind of predictive modeling fortelling disaster and moves like this are meant to combat them? Who knows? For all we know, CCP could be using bots to manipulate its own market...

Just remember gankers. Your lil gank ship needs to cost less than 10m iskies or you'll lose isk doing this. hehe

Some people are terrible at math.

Yonis Kador