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Solution to hulkaggedon for some.
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Ramona Cathlizion
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-06-02 10:31:16 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Ramona Cathlizion wrote:
Because It doesnt matter what you do,.. children being children, especially in my case where I have two. Sibling Rivalry being what it is they will always manage to get hurt,.. or start crying because one decides to take a toy from the other. I could give a million other examples but I wont you get the point. At which point you are forced to drop whatever is you are ingaged in to see to their needs.

"Its ok to ignore my children because I'm playing a pretend spaceship game, but only UNTIL one of them hurts themselves."



Nice try.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2012-06-02 10:35:44 UTC
Ramona Cathlizion wrote:
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
I think they should just increase the hitpoints on exhumers. For example, a Hulk with 3k HP each for structure, armor, and shields. Maybe a bit more powergrid and CPU.

I'm not sure why people propose huge game mechanic changes. Just balance the exhumers.



A more tankable hulk would definatly be a solution. However we all know that is never going to happen either.


The hulk doesn't need a buff, it needs people to tank them in the first place.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2012-06-02 10:40:35 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
I think they should just increase the hitpoints on exhumers. For example, a Hulk with 3k HP each for structure, armor, and shields. Maybe a bit more powergrid and CPU.

I'm not sure why people propose huge game mechanic changes. Just balance the exhumers.


The hulk has base defences that puts it in the same class as heavy assault ships.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-06-02 10:45:05 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
I think they should just increase the hitpoints on exhumers. For example, a Hulk with 3k HP each for structure, armor, and shields. Maybe a bit more powergrid and CPU.

I'm not sure why people propose huge game mechanic changes. Just balance the exhumers.


That's not balance. If you want to petition for a better tank, you have to be prepared to have your yield nerfed. Hulks already tank really well if you bother to try. If you're a long-term miner, you should have the skills to tank it very well & be able to keep your max yield.

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InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-06-02 10:45:45 UTC
Ramona Cathlizion wrote:
InternetSpaceship wrote:
Ramona Cathlizion wrote:
The Groundskeeper wrote:
I mean, maybe that kid wouldn't have got hurt if you weren't so obsessed with dancing frenetically for peanuts in a virtual world?



You dont have children do you?


Let's go ahead and assume he doesn't.

Now, explain how he is wrong.



Because It doesnt matter what you do,.. children being children, especially in my case where I have two. Sibling Rivalry being what it is they will always manage to get hurt,.. or start crying because one decides to take a toy from the other. I could give a million other examples but I wont you get the point. At which point you are forced to drop whatever is you are ingaged in to see to their needs.


Indeed, you are correct. Now for the other half, which deserves your undivided attention more? A game that demands your focus, or your children, who you freely admit are prone to hurting themselves/each other?

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InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-06-02 10:48:09 UTC
Ramona Cathlizion wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Ramona Cathlizion wrote:
Because It doesnt matter what you do,.. children being children, especially in my case where I have two. Sibling Rivalry being what it is they will always manage to get hurt,.. or start crying because one decides to take a toy from the other. I could give a million other examples but I wont you get the point. At which point you are forced to drop whatever is you are ingaged in to see to their needs.

"Its ok to ignore my children because I'm playing a pretend spaceship game, but only UNTIL one of them hurts themselves."



Nice try.


Again, a glib remark, but no attempt to correct the argument. Sorry, but when you have kids, they are priority. You can try to play the game, but don't complain when it becomes too difficult, because the only real answer is to stop playing the game.

I get what you're saying, even parents need to maintain hobbies, and I agree, but this particular hobby is clearly demanding more attention from you than you can rightfully give it. There is only one clear answer here.

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Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-06-02 10:48:41 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
I think they should just increase the hitpoints on exhumers. For example, a Hulk with 3k HP each for structure, armor, and shields. Maybe a bit more powergrid and CPU.

I'm not sure why people propose huge game mechanic changes. Just balance the exhumers.

That would put the Hulk at almost the same EHP class as canes, No.

Hulks can already be fitted to have 30k EHP tank, adding another ~10k buffer is unreasonable.

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Captain Megadeath
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-06-02 10:48:55 UTC
A, your sums are wrong, a fully tanked hulk can withstand up to 5 catalysts* in a 0.5 system, 6 if with orca support with a Shield harmonizing gang link. They need to bring 7+ to break your tank in time, if you dont see 7 dessies on your Dscan you deserve to die.

B, The hulk doesnt need any more tank.

C, Using children as an excuse to be "semi-afk" is just down right wrong. I have 2 disabled children, one 5 the other 10. I play when it is my relaxation time, when their mother is in charge of them. If I am needed I just dock up . If you are able to go see to "whatever" means that you have cargo expanders fitted 'cause a hulk without them can fill its cargo hold within 2 cycles. 9 times out of 10 a hulk with cargo expanders has a bot at the controls.

So you are either a bad parent or a bot runner... which is it?

This is why, even though I am a miner, I will support the Goons in eradacating the AFK'ers/bots and for keeping eve the cold dark universe it is supposed to be.






* With average of 1,107.81 alpha
seany1212
M Y S T
#29 - 2012-06-02 10:50:38 UTC  |  Edited by: seany1212
baltec1 wrote:
Ramona Cathlizion wrote:
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:
I think they should just increase the hitpoints on exhumers. For example, a Hulk with 3k HP each for structure, armor, and shields. Maybe a bit more powergrid and CPU.

I'm not sure why people propose huge game mechanic changes. Just balance the exhumers.



A more tankable hulk would definatly be a solution. However we all know that is never going to happen either.


The hulk doesn't need a buff, it needs people to tank them in the first place.


This.

Also, hulks are the only mining vessels in eve, amirite? I love all these whine threads that pop up by noob npc alts without actually linking any killmails!

MY TITAN GOT GANKED IN JOVE SPACE, I DEMAND THEY ARE BUFFED!

Hulks are getting popped because OTEC has a monopoly going on tech, how about trying to fly a covetor which is both less appealing as a target and costs 10% of a hulk? You might not get the same isk/hr but surely its more investment viable than a hulk at the moment Roll
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2012-06-02 10:57:47 UTC
seany1212 wrote:


This.

Also, hulks are the only mining vessels in eve, amirite? I love all these whine threads that pop up by noob npc alts without actually linking any killmails!

MY TITAN GOT GANKED IN JOVE SPACE, I DEMAND THEY ARE BUFFED!

Hulks are getting popped because OTEC has a monopoly going on tech, how about trying to fly a covetor which is both less appealing as a target and costs 10% of a hulk? You might not get the same isk/hr but surely its more investment viable than a hulk at the moment Roll


A covetor can also be tanked to survive 2-3 dessies.
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-06-02 11:07:20 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Ramona Cathlizion wrote:
Because It doesnt matter what you do,.. children being children, especially in my case where I have two. Sibling Rivalry being what it is they will always manage to get hurt,.. or start crying because one decides to take a toy from the other. I could give a million other examples but I wont you get the point. At which point you are forced to drop whatever is you are ingaged in to see to their needs.

"Its ok to ignore my children because I'm playing a pretend spaceship game, but only UNTIL one of them hurts themselves."

Actually not preventing this from happen and interfering only if it´s going too far or if there is something serious about to happen is better than doing the mother hen. Because these things are part of the learning process that enables a child to grow up without issues. Doing other things like reading or playing computer are perfectly fine while watching the kids as long as you are willing and ready to interrupt your activity as soon it becomes neccessary.

As for mining: As being said, hulkageddon is only happening in high-sec. Join a nullsec-alliance and mine there. Usually it is far safer than high-sec, because alliances are pretty much taking care that their own mining operations remain undisturbed. And without the restrictions of high-sec they can actually do this. The occasional AFK-cloaker will be the most exciting thing you see, and this guys are mostly no direct danger to your hulk.
In the meantime it is better to build up a new alt from scratch to become a combat pilot. Because having a developed industrial alt (you might want to explore other industry branches than mining) is a good source of income to plex several toons and replace ship losses.

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#32 - 2012-06-02 11:13:29 UTC
Captain Megadeath wrote:
A, your sums are wrong, a fully tanked hulk can withstand up to 5 catalysts* in a 0.5 system, 6 if with orca support with a Shield harmonizing gang link. They need to bring 7+ to break your tank in time, if you dont see 7 dessies on your Dscan you deserve to die.

B, The hulk doesnt need any more tank.

C, Using children as an excuse to be "semi-afk" is just down right wrong. I have 2 disabled children, one 5 the other 10. I play when it is my relaxation time, when their mother is in charge of them. If I am needed I just dock up . If you are able to go see to "whatever" means that you have cargo expanders fitted 'cause a hulk without them can fill its cargo hold within 2 cycles. 9 times out of 10 a hulk with cargo expanders has a bot at the controls.

So you are either a bad parent or a bot runner... which is it?

This is why, even though I am a miner, I will support the Goons in eradacating the AFK'ers/bots and for keeping eve the cold dark universe it is supposed to be.






* With average of 1,107.81 alpha


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Forger Lanis
The Augen Nation.
#33 - 2012-06-02 11:25:38 UTC
Rofl at those who accuse him of being a bad parent. Kids will hurt themselves when playing, climbing trees etc. it's natural and part of growing up. It doesn't matter what you do, look away a second and it happens and it happens whatever you do, play a game, fix the car, preparing the dinner, fix the house... the list is endless. You can't watch your kids like a hawk every second 24/7 nor should you.
Ramona Cathlizion
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-06-02 12:10:53 UTC
Forger Lanis wrote:
Rofl at those who accuse him of being a bad parent. Kids will hurt themselves when playing, climbing trees etc. it's natural and part of growing up. It doesn't matter what you do, look away a second and it happens and it happens whatever you do, play a game, fix the car, preparing the dinner, fix the house... the list is endless. You can't watch your kids like a hawk every second 24/7 nor should you.



Which is exactly why i started ignoring the comments. As mentioned in my origional post, as the sun must go down.
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#35 - 2012-06-02 12:16:03 UTC
Are you meaning the 'Old Hulkageddon" as run by Helicity Boson or the new "Lets Kill The Game Permanent Hulkageddon" Fantasyland as spewed forth by the mittani ?

There is a difference now you know.

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Ramona Cathlizion
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-06-02 12:24:36 UTC
The Old hulkaggedon I have no problems with. Forcing miners to actually enjoy some of the other aspects of eve for a limited time in order to run an actual player based "Event" That is what makes eve amazing,. in no other game can you do something like that. The new lets keep it going indefinatly,.. meh I dont like it. But that is just causing me to do something other than mining. And lets all be honest here. Mining is Boring as hell.
But its what Ive got skills for.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#37 - 2012-06-02 12:26:29 UTC
The Groundskeeper wrote:
Join a nullsec alliance. Join an anom-mining fleet, mine sweet high-ends and make enough for a plex in a day. Or stay in highsec and try to kid yourself that you are safer there.

Why not join someone like Goonswarm? Just contact one of our keen recruiters!


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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#38 - 2012-06-02 12:28:04 UTC
Ramona Cathlizion wrote:
The Old hulkaggedon I have no problems with. Forcing miners to actually enjoy some of the other aspects of eve for a limited time in order to run an actual player based "Event" That is what makes eve amazing,. in no other game can you do something like that. The new lets keep it going indefinatly,.. meh I dont like it. But that is just causing me to do something other than mining. And lets all be honest here. Mining is Boring as hell.
But its what Ive got skills for.



Mining is a great time to read detailed info about game mechanics, history, etc......keeping that eye on Local though.

I always liked the Hulkageddon's. Making it into a regular game mechanic though, is a fatal mistake. And fatal to CCP if no action eventually taken.

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Hrothgar Nilsson
#39 - 2012-06-02 12:32:33 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
That's not balance. If you want to petition for a better tank, you have to be prepared to have your yield nerfed. Hulks already tank really well if you bother to try. If you're a long-term miner, you should have the skills to tank it very well & be able to keep your max yield.

I don't mine. Never will.

I've... seen things you people wouldn't believe...

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion...
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#40 - 2012-06-02 12:34:37 UTC
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:

I don't mine. Never will.


Well. Are you not Special.

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