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Contest: Kill the Drake, win a prize! 100m isk!

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Izo Alabaster
Black Death Skorpions of Death
#1 - 2012-06-02 08:57:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Izo Alabaster
1. Overview.

Greetings fellow capsuleers! This contest is simple. I'm going to post a ship setup, and the first one to post a battlecruiser setup that can beat it in a one on one fight wins iskies. The contest will run for 2 weeks or so, depending on how much interest the thread receives and I'll post a winner (if there is one) on or around the 16th of June 2012.



2. The target ship.

A lone Drake (Duh).

Highs

Heavy Missile Launcher II x7
Missiles of the Drake pilot's choice. They'll almost certainly be whatever your ship's weakest resistance is or whatever the Drake's damage bonus is. (Yes, the Drake does have a damage bonus.)

Mids

Experimental 10mn Afterburner I
Warp Scrambler II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II x2

Lows

Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Ballistic System II
Ballistic System II

Drones
Drake pilot's choice, but again, probably going to hit against your fit's weakest resistance or Hobgoblin IIs, whichever is most effective.

Rigs
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I x3

3. Where you come in.

Select your best tech 1 battlecruiser setups and post them in this thread. If I like it, I'll do a test fight. First person to post a setup that I like that I can consistently beat my own Drake setup with wins the 100m isk. If you post a setup that I like, I may elect to give you 10m isk as a compensation prize even if you don't win the 100m.

A tip to designing a setup: I don't like Drake fits, so don't post any. Also, if it breaks the bank to set your loadout up, then I probably won't like it. That means if you're suggesting I take an officer fit Brutix up against the target ship, then don't expect to be winning the contest. Try to keep it limited to tech 2 or best named.

Some important notes: I'll give the benefit of the doubt regarding lock times, but if the Drake is able to simply right click empty space and warp away if his shields get low, then your setup isn't going to be Killing the Drake, is it? You might want to fit some modules capable of preventing a mid-fight warp-out.

4. The Test Fight

I'll select several setups that like and I think can beat the Drake setup I posted, and perform a test fight between them. The test will go something like this: I set up both ships according to the designated loadouts, warp my two characters to a safe spot, flip a can and commence fighting. Starting distance will be 20km. Both characters have similar skills, so one's not going to be fitting T2 modules while the other one is fitting meta 0 or anything. No fleet bonuses or other external effects. I won't actually be destroying either ship during the test fight since I'm the one funding this little venture and I own both of the ships that are doing the fighting, but I'm going to keep them fighting until a clear winner emerges which may include going down into structure.

Edit - I forgot to add, the test fight's Drake pilot may try such evasive maneuvers as "flying in a straight line with the afterburner on," "right click orbiting at a pre-designated distance" and other such l337 piloting skills. Also I may or may not decide to use overheating. If I do overheat, I'll be doing it for both characters.
Izo Alabaster
Black Death Skorpions of Death
#2 - 2012-06-02 09:00:57 UTC
Reserved
Alara IonStorm
#3 - 2012-06-02 09:05:04 UTC
[Myrmidon, Myrmidon]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I


Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#4 - 2012-06-02 09:11:29 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
[Myrmidon, Myrmidon]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I


Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5


Damn it Alara I was about to post the triple rep myrm

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]

Alara IonStorm
#5 - 2012-06-02 09:13:56 UTC
Korg Tronix wrote:

Damn it Alara I was about to post the triple rep myrm

I'm too poor to fly one right now but want to so I was quick on the draw.

/Fingers crossed.
Izo Alabaster
Black Death Skorpions of Death
#6 - 2012-06-02 09:42:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Izo Alabaster
Alara IonStorm wrote:

/Fingers crossed.



10m sent. I'll test it out later, and send the remaining 90m if it's able to consistently beat the Drake setup.

edit - Mind if I use a warp disruptor instead of a scram? The drake isn't fit with an MWD.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#7 - 2012-06-02 10:26:10 UTC
The good ship 'Friendship'.
Liam Mirren
#8 - 2012-06-02 10:30:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
Izo Alabaster wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:

/Fingers crossed.



10m sent. I'll test it out later, and send the remaining 90m if it's able to consistently beat the Drake setup.

edit - Mind if I use a warp disruptor instead of a scram? The drake isn't fit with an MWD.


Doesn't really matter, if you don't get short range your blasters don't do dps. Also long point uses more cap and your 3 reps are already hurting your cap like a mofo.


This will always win, it tanks more than what that Drake fit can dish out regardless of damage type and with phased plasma ammo it'll break the drake's tank (albeit slowly) on the turrets alone, the drones just help it go down quicker and you have replacement drones would he destroy a few. It's faster so the drake can't run away (assuming no ecm drones) and it won't run out of cap. This all assumes a face to face 1v1 scenario ofcourse.

[Myrmidon, Shield]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Warp Scrambler II

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium Nosferatu II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II


Hammerhead II x5
Hammerhead II x10

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#9 - 2012-06-02 12:30:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Daneel Trevize
AB HL Drake with no web and no small neut?

I wonder if a 1600mm plate AB Thorax wouldn't manage it.
Also AB long point Talos?

A dual rep Brutix should have enough cap charges to last, equally a dual rep Myrm, not sure the triple rep, dual injector Myrm won't cause itself cap booster supply problems before the drake's dead.
Of course with links this would be trivial for such active-tankers.

Fancy flying a Cyclone?
Also AB armour brick Cane and Harb should screw over a Drake.

Hmm, are implants permitted? LG crystals/slaves/even halos could make a big difference.
Also do you have AWU 5 or are cheap PG/CPU implants valid?

Why not test this on Sisi and not waste isk on ships & fits? And be able to go through hull.
Liam Mirren
#10 - 2012-06-02 12:46:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
Thorax can't, not enough EHP for its dps
Same for the Talos, EHP/DPS isn't enough
Brutix can pull it off
Cyclone can do it (specially with the new ancil shield boosters)


Daneel Trevize wrote:
Why not test this on Sisi and not waste isk on ships & fits? And be able to go through hull.

Sure, lets delete this and other similar forums and replace it with "if you have a question, go figure it out on sisi".

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#11 - 2012-06-02 13:13:02 UTC
a triple rep or dual rep myrm will kill this regardless of what guns are fitted. that drake fit operates in web scram range. the standard cyclone fit will do this as well. in fact that drake fit would die to anything that can tank its damage for long enough to kill it.

Active ferox or prophecy could probably do it eventually

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]

Unit757
North Point
#12 - 2012-06-02 15:08:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Unit757
Looks like fun, I'll toss this in here.

[Ferox, Flight I]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Medium Nosferatu II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Hornet II x5


If we can give you specific instructions for flying our fits, then pulse the MWD enough to keep in range :P
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#13 - 2012-06-02 16:21:48 UTC
The OPs drake fit is very very bad.
Kelhund
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-06-02 16:31:06 UTC
To be honest, a 425mm AC fit, buffer tanked gank cane can kill a drake. I've done it before with a a rack of 425s, 2 med neuts and a healthy buffer tank. The best way to do it is to use ECM drones. That way he will have ahard time acquiring the target. Also, because all of his resists are active (invuln fields and the EM hardener) once your neuts drain his cap he will loose alot of his EHP and be easier to kill.
Viribus
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#15 - 2012-06-02 17:04:06 UTC
Is this supposed to prove the drake is overpowered or something? Because it's not working
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-06-02 17:10:42 UTC
Viribus wrote:
Is this supposed to prove the drake is overpowered or something? Because it's not working


You can kill capital ships with a swarm of rifters, does it means rifters are overpowered?
You'd need half of those in Enyos to do the same job, does it means Enyo is overpowered?

Lol

brb

Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-06-02 17:12:22 UTC
Almost anything that can tank 300 kinetic DPS (slightly less in the case of low-sig cruisers) is going to be able to beat a Drake.
Viribus
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#18 - 2012-06-02 17:51:45 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Viribus wrote:
Is this supposed to prove the drake is overpowered or something? Because it's not working


You can kill capital ships with a swarm of rifters, does it means rifters are overpowered?
You'd need half of those in Enyos to do the same job, does it means Enyo is overpowered?

Lol


You're making literally zero sense and I don't see how your reply relates to what I posted at all
Nihassa
RvB Industries
#19 - 2012-06-02 18:54:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Nihassa
Highs

Heavy Missile Launcher II x7

Mids

Experimental 10mn Afterburner I
Warp Scrambler II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II x2

Lows

Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Ballistic System II
Ballistic System II

Drones
Drake pilot's choice.

Rigs
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II x3 (see what i did there?)

Ta da, above fit wins =)
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#20 - 2012-06-02 19:08:54 UTC
If you are flying a shitfit like that, nobody wins
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