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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#141 - 2012-06-02 07:55:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
RubyPorto wrote:


So Hulks didn't need a buff 3 months ago, but now, after exactly 0 game mechanical changes, they need one? LOLWUT?


Grats on missing the point, I still hear the woooooosh.

Try enter in the human mentality.
3 months ago if a guy got popped he'd immediately create his sh1tty thread and people would tell him to HTFU.
The kindest could have written a guide instead (like yours) and linked it and some people would have considered you an helper.
If you post it now, in the same thread where others are dissing miners, preaching their rightful Goebel-powered Final Solution, since you also don't show a lot of empathy you WILL be put together the psychos. It's just how things work.


RubyPorto wrote:

I don't shut up because I think CCP is exactly stupid enough to start listening to the whiners if they're allowed to go unchallenged. CCP doesn't exactly have the most stellar track record at listening to the people who know what they're talking about.
See: Incarna, Akita T's Tech predictions (posted on the forums before the r64 nerfs hit TQ), etc.


I also did the Tech predictions, you can find my graphs made in those days. I also predicted (and put my own player drop graph in Akita T thread) the drop of players due to crappy expansions and also how harsh it'd have been.

As for CCP listening for a category or the other, well by contributing keeping the tension high for some more weeks, you will push CCP into doing something. If those complaining about having got popped were left to their usual 2-3 snide remarks the waters would return calm, like they have done for years.

Certainly if you help keep these topics continuously bumped to the top, something will be done.

Edit: don't you see my game? I want CCP to change this crappy profession into something that entices players to not want to go AFK. Look at how attention catching is Utopia mining. It CAN be done better.

Both Mittani and me are doing a Decshield-alike operation: by cracking the system till people revolt, it will push CCP to change it.

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Lady Bavmorda
Grau Foundation
#142 - 2012-06-02 08:06:21 UTC
Le Dei Opus wrote:



Where have I whined once about ganking? I'm simply trying to diffuse miner hatred that is being used as the scapegoat to enrich Goonies.



Not sure how posting "I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged." " is going to diffuse anything.
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#143 - 2012-06-02 08:07:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyndrogen
Le Dei Opus wrote:
If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:

Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.

If you can accomplish this, then you need to make a live stream of you doing it every day for a month.

Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game." (when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).

I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged.

Rules for making the video:
1) You may not alt-tab or minimize the game in anyway nor have any other application open that you may use to pass the time.
2) You must remain at the keyboard the entire time in front of your computer.
3) Your head must be facing the screen at all times watching the lasers strike the asteroids.
4) You must be in Caldari space.
5) You are not allowed to die to a suicide gank at any time during the video.

Each producer of the initial 2hour-video will receive an additional 5 million ISK from me personally to supplement their mining. You will then receive a free Hulk and Mack if you manage to keep up a live stream of your mining for one month for at least 10 hours a week (scheduled times).



wow are you posting this because of my AFK will kill you thread?

Man talk about a misunderstanding.... I dont hate anyone least of all AFK players.

I just dont understand what the point of playing a game is when you are not even participating.

How much does a game suck when your main interest and primary activity in the game is to walk away from the game?



I think afk play is as bad as people who use the cell phone in theatres. If you cant bother to focus your attention on the game, don't play it.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2012-06-02 08:17:39 UTC
Wait. So the contest is to mine "like an average miner", and that means solo. But so many of the "I'm going to unsub" threats have multiple accounts. The OP has even mentioned pulling the plug on 4 miner accounts.


Also, is 300mil a lot of isk in highsec?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#145 - 2012-06-02 08:20:21 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


See, years ago I have exclusively played in hard core top guilds including a world first kills one. I played and still play in large PvP guilds in WAR and GW2 (where we are pre-arranged - search for "The Unnamed" guild) and I am trying my hand in Entropia as well. I know too well how it works, why it works and also why I loved it. I also joined a very high activity PvP corp in EvE as you can easily check.

Then things of life happened and now all I can do is play 30 minutes a day, like the huge majority of those who are not 20 old any more. Also see the numbers of some MMOs catering for them vs numbers for EvE.

It's not easily feasible to log in and play EvE in this much common situation. Too short time to arrange something, all I could do if I mined would be to train trading on the mining alt that would sit somewhere in The Forge or another market hub and do 2 things. Then do PI while the ship keeps mining.

Is it optimal? NO. Does i suck? Certainly.

Should I quit EvE over this? Maybe, but if all those unable to enjoy EvE at its fullest would do that, then you'd see the numbers decimated. I am indeed slowly moving over to Entropia. Sandbox. (Obligatory) PvP when in space. Full player loot and every item is RL cash paid for (which makes EvE softcore lolgame in comparison). It allows me to log in and do little when I can't play a lot though.
Are you guys really after this? Because you want to kill the bots and CCP Sreegs seems damn good at it. You want to kill the zero fit wankers? Good. But no you want to go beyond that, you have idiots theorizing WW2 manifestos over it FFS.


You can mine in a Rokh just fine in 30min. There are, as you found, plenty of things to do with just 30min playtimes.

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Yes but

1) I feel Helicity has been abused out of his original idea and I want to keep something unique tied to him
2) I know you are the subsidizers, Helicity did the prizes for objectives though. I HATE subsidizing as a concept, therefore I'll stick with him.


Has Helicity said that he doesn't like the goonswarm backing? If not, then sounds like he doesn't feel abused.

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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I might be wrong but 1 cycle worth of ice (1000m3 per block, minimum you get 2 per laser) does not fit in a GSC.


Are you sure you can anchor cans so close each other?
How do GSCs fit with the "mine aligned, morons" advices?


Warp to station every cycle, morons. That better? I suggest more than one solution to every problem, then you pick one and say you don't like it. That's how this discussion's been going. I invite you to take all 13 suggestions I've made (full list is in the other thread) and explain to me a single situation in which ALL 13 don't work or are legitimately unsatisfactory AT THE SAME TIME.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#146 - 2012-06-02 08:32:18 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


So Hulks didn't need a buff 3 months ago, but now, after exactly 0 game mechanical changes, they need one? LOLWUT?


Grats on missing the point, I still hear the woooooosh.

Try enter in the human mentality.
3 months ago if a guy got popped he'd immediately create his sh1tty thread and people would tell him to HTFU.
The kindest could have written a guide instead (like yours) and linked it and some people would have considered you an helper.
If you post it now, in the same thread where others are dissing miners, preaching their rightful Goebel-powered Final Solution, since you also don't show a lot of empathy you WILL be put together the psychos. It's just how things work.


I usually posted one or two suggestions like that in gank threads I posted on.

Either Hulks need a buff or they don't. Player actions do not change game mechanics.

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RubyPorto wrote:

I don't shut up because I think CCP is exactly stupid enough to start listening to the whiners if they're allowed to go unchallenged. CCP doesn't exactly have the most stellar track record at listening to the people who know what they're talking about.
See: Incarna, Akita T's Tech predictions (posted on the forums before the r64 nerfs hit TQ), etc.


I also did the Tech predictions, you can find my graphs made in those days. I also predicted (and put my own player drop graph in Akita T thread) the drop of players due to crappy expansions and also how harsh it'd have been.

As for CCP listening for a category or the other, well by contributing keeping the tension high for some more weeks, you will push CCP into doing something. If those complaining about having got popped were left to their usual 2-3 snide remarks the waters would return calm, like they have done for years.

Certainly if you help keep these topics continuously bumped to the top, something will be done.

Edit: don't you see my game? I want CCP to change this crappy profession into something that entices players to not want to go AFK. Look at how attention catching is Utopia mining. It CAN be done better.

Both Mittani and me are doing a Decshield-alike operation: by cracking the system till people revolt, it will push CCP to change it.

Welcome to our sandbox.


The Mittani is organizing this because it makes ISK for the GSF. He's driving the Tech price up to milk it for all its worth before it gets nerfed.

As for whatever Sub Decline projections you've made, that's not something you can make the way Akita's Tech graphs were made. Right now, Subs have been climbing since Incarna's drop, so I don't think ∞HAG is causing a drop in Subs to begin with.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#147 - 2012-06-02 08:35:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Le Dei Opus wrote:
If you hate people that semi-afk while mining (like me). Then I have a proposal:

Make a video of your self at the keyboard in front of your computer screen (this means with a webcam) mining in high-sec for two hours or more spamming D-scan.

If you can accomplish this, then you need to make a live stream of you doing it every day for a month.

Once you have accomplished this, you may declare war of the semi-afk miners who are "ruining this game." (when quite contrary to the fact miners are the reason this game even functions).

I'm beginning to believe that anyone who "hates miners" in a "video-GAME" are seriously mentally deranged.

Rules for making the video:
1) You may not alt-tab or minimize the game in anyway nor have any other application open that you may use to pass the time.
2) You must remain at the keyboard the entire time in front of your computer.
3) Your head must be facing the screen at all times watching the lasers strike the asteroids.
4) You must be in Caldari space.
5) You are not allowed to die to a suicide gank at any time during the video.

Each producer of the initial 2hour-video will receive an additional 5 million ISK from me personally to supplement their mining. You will then receive a free Hulk and Mack if you manage to keep up a live stream of your mining for one month for at least 10 hours a week (scheduled times).


I don't make video's for free. I'm prepared to sign a contract that binds me to at least 10 video's at a rate of 200mil per video & 500mil upfront. Further payments per video will result in lesser payments to account for the upfront fee. Further videos will be charged at a rate of 250mil, plus 50mil for the stream & 150mil for having to show my face. As I actually have a real life job, I am unable to play for 2 hours everyday, so I will commit to mining for 4 hours each day I play to compensate.

You can get references from my corp & possibly some people on the forums. My alliance does not allow scamming, so you can be assured that this offer is 100% legit. I look forward to doing business with you.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#148 - 2012-06-02 08:44:29 UTC
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#149 - 2012-06-02 08:44:56 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Wait. So the contest is to mine "like an average miner", and that means solo. But so many of the "I'm going to unsub" threats have multiple accounts. The OP has even mentioned pulling the plug on 4 miner accounts.


The average miner does not post on the forum too. I can also claim I am unsubbing all my 30 accounts and bring away my over 9000 friends.


Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:

Also, is 300mil a lot of isk in highsec?


Yeah you would not believe that this amount is a lot for hi sec, eh? So much for saying it's too high reward for no risk.

300M is almost the income per hour you can get in the best hi sec group content (incursions) done in a not super pimp boat.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#150 - 2012-06-02 08:45:25 UTC
Beckie DeLey wrote:
What does AFK cloaking have to do with highsec mining?

Personally, i am not affected by AFK cloakers in any way, so i can't really care less.


See, you answered your own question there.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#151 - 2012-06-02 08:48:19 UTC
OK, OP, you win. I went ahead and mined for 2 hours, with a webcam focused on my bulging...


...neckbeard.

The first part is Here

The second is Here

You owe me 5m Isk and my Happiness.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#152 - 2012-06-02 08:48:37 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I don't make video's for free. … I am unable to play for 2 hours everyday, so I will commit to mining for 4 hours each day I play to compensate.


The point of the OP was that no-one is going to sit staring at the screen for two hours a day just to make 30M ISK.

You walked into that one with your eyes wide open.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#153 - 2012-06-02 08:51:09 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
300M is almost the income per hour you can get in the best hi sec group content (incursions) done in a not super pimp boat.


300M ISK/hr in a non-pimped incursion boat?

Did I miss a [sarcasm] tag or something?

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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#154 - 2012-06-02 08:53:57 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
300M ISK/hr in a non-pimped incursion boat?

Did I miss a [sarcasm] tag or something?


300m/4 hours was her offer, so 75mil/hr.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#155 - 2012-06-02 08:55:06 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:


You can mine in a Rokh just fine in 30min. There are, as you found, plenty of things to do with just 30min playtimes.


Makes sense, they come teached by ISDs in rookie chat to become miners (like I did) what ships to get, what skills to train, they get pointed to Halada's miner guide listing the ships. They buy those ships and feel accomplished and then some weeks later (if ever) they read they did all wrong, should have trained a combat ship, should have chosen different stats, prioritized other implants...

At least acknowldege it's a shoddy kick in the balls and counter intuitive to say the least. Game should not require to read GD.


Quote:

Has Helicity said that he doesn't like the goonswarm backing? If not, then sounds like he doesn't feel abused.


I feel he has been abused, it's my sponsor money I do what I want with it.


Quote:

Warp to station every cycle, morons. That better? I suggest more than one solution to every problem, then you pick one and say you don't like it. That's how this discussion's been going. I invite you to take all 13 suggestions I've made (full list is in the other thread) and explain to me a single situation in which ALL 13 don't work or are legitimately unsatisfactory AT THE SAME TIME.


You can also daily wipe your butt with sandpaper. It works.

While ofc course your ideas work, tbh I'd prefer risking losing a ship than adopting them, because it's a game not a crucifixion. And if losing the ship would be too often I'd switch doing any other easier task including doing anoms in low sec, doing WHs. But never in 0.0, because since they DEMAND people to go 0.0 I will unsub before I obey.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#156 - 2012-06-02 08:56:29 UTC
You're aware that advice given by ISDs is not indicative of any direction CCP intends for new players to take, right?

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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2012-06-02 09:01:35 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Makes sense, they come teached by ISDs in rookie chat to become miners (like I did) what ships to get, what skills to train, they get pointed to Halada's miner guide listing the ships. They buy those ships and feel accomplished and then some weeks later (if ever) they read they did all wrong, should have trained a combat ship, should have chosen different stats, prioritized other implants...

At least acknowldege it's a shoddy kick in the balls and counter intuitive to say the least. Game should not require to read GD.
.


No matter your profession, Eve will kick you in the balls with a steel-toed boot many times over. That's where "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" comes from. Also, if that's not the first lesson being taught to any player, at all, ever, then someone screwed up. Every lesson you can ever learn in Eve comes back to that core idea, that once you hit Undock, all bets are off.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#158 - 2012-06-02 09:05:15 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

I usually posted one or two suggestions like that in gank threads I posted on.

Either Hulks need a buff or they don't. Player actions do not change game mechanics.


Hulks needing a buff? Lol no. Macks maybe, they suck so royally hard yet they are also meant to be in 0.0.

What needs a buff is to remove concord and put players. Even just temporarily and for a requester, like war dec ally mechanic works.

Wanna bet with me that the next week suicide ganking suddenly halts? Because don't lie to me, the suicide gankers are spineless hi seccers grazing on the short bus citizens, if they EVER found opposition they'd stop and create 100 times as many threads on GD than miners do.




RubyPorto wrote:


The Mittani is organizing this because it makes ISK for the GSF. He's driving the Tech price up to milk it for all its worth before it gets nerfed.

As for whatever Sub Decline projections you've made, that's not something you can make the way Akita's Tech graphs were made. Right now, Subs have been climbing since Incarna's drop, so I don't think ∞HAG is causing a drop in Subs to begin with.


1) I don't like Mittani but I hold him in higher consideration than you do. He's not stupid, he can easily manage a basic multi-layer agenda. Who did a lot for EvE when in the CSM again?

2) Like FET transistors, I play "base" and convey people to do what I desire by using other people's high power infrastructures. Sometimes it works (i.e. nitro isotopes first peak) sometimes it does not but it's worth trying, metagame > all.

3) My predictions made before Incarna regarded Incarna. Did you see predictions or posts of mine about the next playerbase drops, due to hulkageddon? No, eh? Why? Because I am actually helped if people quits over this.

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Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2012-06-02 09:06:32 UTC
All people have to do is protect themselves a bit. Tank your ships properly. If you are in gangs, defend your ships. Its not like you even have to concentrate on the game, but for lords sake at least have the presence of mind to take precautions.

The choice is yours, go for a higher isk per hour ratio or protect your ships. All I see is people whining because they refuse to protect their ships...

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#160 - 2012-06-02 09:08:11 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
You're aware that advice given by ISDs is not indicative of any direction CCP intends for new players to take, right?


Now, yes. Years ago? I started another character (this is not my first), I watched a video, chose a race, entered in game totally clueless. I was automatically put in a chat where guys with a funny acronym were answering dozens of questions.

You may guess it, I listened to the suggestions. It's kind of expected off a new players and it takes a good modicum of bittervet-ness to doubt about everyone and everything since the day you start playing.

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