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Has Hatred gone too far CCP?
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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-06-02 06:24:04 UTC
Reina Supremus wrote:
Only a goon would try to partial quote and make it look bad. You guys going to do a forum log-on attack onto this thread too?

Oh hey, look. An ad hominem.

How original.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-06-02 06:24:59 UTC
Merovee wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Denidil wrote:
Step 1: give hulk's much better buffer tanks


yes you can do this by fitting a Damage Control II, Micro Auxiliary Power Core II, Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction, two Adaptive Invulnerability Field IIs, an EM or thermic hardener and two Medium Core Defense Field Extender Is


Just how many slots does a Hulk have?Blink


two low slots, 4 mid slots, 3 highs and two rig slots

this actually fits!

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-06-02 06:27:52 UTC
Azshann wrote:


I hear there is a prize for your kind.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=116399


I'm sorry, I'm not very bright. You'll have to clarify.
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
#24 - 2012-06-02 06:31:49 UTC
I bet the latest drama wasnt even mentioned at CSM summit.

CCP are blind to player conflict, all these feedback mechanism are just show.

There would be literally thousands of suggested improvements of how to improve the game, dozens of threads and documents collating them and organising them for CCP, yet they still have difficulty working out what to fix and when to do it, they say they consult the CSM, but they still always manage to f*ck it up.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#25 - 2012-06-02 06:50:00 UTC
WTB a JF bot. Sad
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-06-02 06:59:32 UTC
Reina Supremus wrote:
Miners mad at gankers.
Gankers mad at miners.

I personally don't care what either side thinks. However it's apparent that there's a very strong surge of hate against a certain community within EvE that in general I do not consider healthy for EvE as a game. Now miners are responding with counter-hate threads. Soon we'll all be cursing and swearing at each other because of...real hate over a fake video game.

We will all start to look ridiculous to outsiders who just started the game or were looking at the forums to decide whether or not to give it a try.

In all honesty Goonswarm, gank away. However, at least tell people it's for your Tech profits and not to "RID THE WORLD OF OF THE HEATHEN AFK MINERS" "HATE THEM" "BLAME THEM" "PERSECUTE THEM" "KILL THEM"

Why don't we rid the world of AFK mission runners and 0.01 ISK bots and jump freighters (yes there are bots that YOU NULL BEARS USE FOR JUMP FREIGHTING, MOON GOO AND EVEN YOU INTEL CHANNELS/AFK Cloakers). We don't rid the world of them because the EFFECT of their destruction does not generate a mathematically stable source of Tech income. This proves you are only ganking Hulks for Tech and not for this new religious movement of purging EvE of afk income earners.

However, you're overtly creating hatred in a manner which shouldn't be tolerated in any video GAME (or REAL LIFE) no matter what the game is supposed to be about.

Go ahead and gank the miners to oblivion, but don't become hate merchants at the same time. I am ashamed that CCP has let you guys go that far.

This level of hate is bad for the community and should not be tolerated.


I'm not going to place blame on the miners for this hate-fest because you guys are the ones that zealously promoted the hate to begin with.

Excellent post.

This 'Genocide' campaign definitely seems to violate multiple sections of the Terms_of_Service

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-06-02 07:02:15 UTC
Which ones?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#28 - 2012-06-02 07:05:39 UTC
Reina Supremus wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
I don't see any hate. .


Read this:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40762


It's a living testament to the failure of forum moderation by CCP. Also look how many LIKES it receives and how many haters support it.


So, and please correct me if I'm wrong. you want people on a forum dedicated to a PVP Internet Spaceship game to be nice to each other? Perhaps you could link us an example of a forum dedicated to another video game, preferably with at least some similarity to this one, where the posters are nice to each other. It might give us something to compare/contrast.

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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#29 - 2012-06-02 07:06:56 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:


Terms_of_Service




Rule number 1 is particularly interesting. Lol

Oh wait, you weren't referring to that one? Roll
Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-06-02 07:07:04 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


Now, now. We can't actually expect them to do anything that would cut into the amount of ore they can hold by using slots to actually improve thier ability to not get blown up. That woudl be stupid. They have "ISK PER HOUR!!!" to consider.

We all know that CCP intended mining to be done solo. That's why they actually have support skills and ships designed specifically to improve mining in a fleet, because it's intended to be done alone.

Can't expect a miner to have someone hauling ore for them while they tank thier hulks, that would be such a waste of slots that would be better suited to filling with cargo expanders.

Common sense is a bannable offense in EVE.


Please read other threads that have people talking about this stuff, this response is kind of old and outdated.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#31 - 2012-06-02 07:13:46 UTC
Spikeflach wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


Now, now. We can't actually expect them to do anything that would cut into the amount of ore they can hold by using slots to actually improve thier ability to not get blown up. That woudl be stupid. They have "ISK PER HOUR!!!" to consider.

We all know that CCP intended mining to be done solo. That's why they actually have support skills and ships designed specifically to improve mining in a fleet, because it's intended to be done alone.

Can't expect a miner to have someone hauling ore for them while they tank thier hulks, that would be such a waste of slots that would be better suited to filling with cargo expanders.

Common sense is a bannable offense in EVE.


Please read other threads that have people talking about this stuff, this response is kind of old and outdated.


Could you please link to the post(s) to which you are referring?

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-06-02 07:22:55 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Which ones?

Any one of these could be used.

1 You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.

2 You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)

3 You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies

4 You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.

16 You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.

17 You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users.

23 You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.

29 You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE Online’s game service or web site.

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Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-06-02 07:24:56 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Spikeflach wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


Now, now. We can't actually expect them to do anything that would cut into the amount of ore they can hold by using slots to actually improve thier ability to not get blown up. That woudl be stupid. They have "ISK PER HOUR!!!" to consider.

We all know that CCP intended mining to be done solo. That's why they actually have support skills and ships designed specifically to improve mining in a fleet, because it's intended to be done alone.

Can't expect a miner to have someone hauling ore for them while they tank thier hulks, that would be such a waste of slots that would be better suited to filling with cargo expanders.

Common sense is a bannable offense in EVE.


Please read other threads that have people talking about this stuff, this response is kind of old and outdated.


Could you please link to the post(s) to which you are referring?


Sure,

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=116353

Second response, and i think spattered through the posts.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115781

You personally said somethign of the likes in post number 227
Azshann
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2012-06-02 07:26:45 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Which ones?

Rule number 3

You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies



Azshann
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-06-02 07:29:35 UTC
Spikeflach wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Spikeflach wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


Now, now. We can't actually expect them to do anything that would cut into the amount of ore they can hold by using slots to actually improve thier ability to not get blown up. That woudl be stupid. They have "ISK PER HOUR!!!" to consider.

We all know that CCP intended mining to be done solo. That's why they actually have support skills and ships designed specifically to improve mining in a fleet, because it's intended to be done alone.

Can't expect a miner to have someone hauling ore for them while they tank thier hulks, that would be such a waste of slots that would be better suited to filling with cargo expanders.

Common sense is a bannable offense in EVE.


Please read other threads that have people talking about this stuff, this response is kind of old and outdated.


Could you please link to the post(s) to which you are referring?


Sure,

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=116353

Second response, and i think spattered through the posts.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115781

You personally said somethign of the likes in post number 227


He means posts specifically on this thread.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-06-02 07:29:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
1 You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.

4 You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.

Not according to the last time I checked, unless someone went specifically after another guy with the intent to grief him and only him.

And the "role-playing" bit doesn't apply, since no rules have been broken.

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
2 You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)

3 You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies

I guess all the miners must be banned as well, then.


DeMichael Crimson wrote:
16 You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.

Which rules have been broken when suicide ganking someone?

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
17 You may not engage in any activity that increases the difficulty and/or expense of CCP in maintaining the EVE Online client, server, web site or other services for the benefit and enjoyment of all its users.

I guess all fleet activity is illegal, then. Particularly all 1000+ fleets.

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
23 You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.

29 You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE Online’s game service or web site.

23: Which bugs?
29: How have we encouraged anyone else to break these rules?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-06-02 07:31:20 UTC
Ludi Burek wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:


Terms_of_Service




Rule number 1 is particularly interesting. Lol

Oh wait, you weren't referring to that one? Roll

Actually out of all the ones I listed, these are more specific to the current issue:

3 You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies

4 You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.

16 You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.

29 You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE Online’s game service or web site.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Frying Doom
#38 - 2012-06-02 07:34:53 UTC
I'm afraid to say Lord Zim is right, no rules have been broken.

The words they BURN!!! Big smile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#39 - 2012-06-02 07:36:55 UTC
The trouble with the internet is that serious tone cannot be distinguished from joking, trolling, or RP.

When I tell an enemy pilot that he is an incompetent failure and he should quit Eve, I do not literally hate him and think he is worthless. I am just talking smack, and am probably happy he is playing Eve so I have someone to smack at.

When I fight to burn Amarr and their sympathizers, and destroy billions of ISK of stuff in the process, that doesn't mean I really hate them.

If I were to get into suicide ganking (which I am strongly tempted to), I would definitely ascribe to the "ha-HAW, silly miners! HTFU!" rhetoric, but that doesn't mean I hate them. Their profession, albeit horribly boring in my opinion, is integral to Eve. (And even better, I'd be making it more exciting for them!)

It's a game. There are rivalries, and those rivals are going to spit bile at each other all day. In the end, it's all a game though. There are some who take it beyond that, and they need to be told to take a step back and think about what they're doing. That doesn't usually happen because it's either too hard to detect, or too far gone and it's too funny.

That's... sad I guess? It's a direct result of it being an open sandbox with minimal moderating interference to personal interactions, though. That's the whole point of Eve. Just like CCP won't delete Goonswarm, or ban anyone who repeatedly suicide ganks, they won't interfere in the communication, no matter its tone or volume.

Or at least, I hope they won't. I would be greatly disappointed if they did.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#40 - 2012-06-02 07:37:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kimmi Chan
All the stuff before wrote:


Now, now. We can't actually expect them to do anything that would cut into the amount of ore they can hold by using slots to actually improve thier ability to not get blown up. That woudl be stupid. They have "ISK PER HOUR!!!" to consider.

We all know that CCP intended mining to be done solo. That's why they actually have support skills and ships designed specifically to improve mining in a fleet, because it's intended to be done alone.

Can't expect a miner to have someone hauling ore for them while they tank thier hulks, that would be such a waste of slots that would be better suited to filling with cargo expanders.

Common sense is a bannable offense in EVE.

Please read other threads that have people talking about this stuff, this response is kind of old and outdated.


Could you please link to the post(s) to which you are referring?

Sure,

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=116353

Second response, and i think spattered through the posts.

Scatim Helicon wrote:
B-b-b-b-b-but that doesn't optimise my ISK/hr ratio at all! How can I possibly be expected to make fitting trade offs like everyone else does as a miner?


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115781

You personally said somethign of the likes in post number 227

Kimmi Chan wrote:
I do not see anyone championing a cessation or elimination of PVE. What I do see is a lot of people making demands to change the game to make it safer to mine. If you want to blame someone for the current suicide ganking trend, blame the miners that came before you.

A lot of people bitching that the gankers risk only a 2m Catalyst. The suicide gank boat of choice used to be the Brutix but high sec miners raised such ire that the insurance payouts were completely removed. So what did the suicide gankers do? They adapted. They evolved. They found a way to operate within the existing game mechanics by using a less expensive ship and have been wildly successful. So much so that they have again raised the ire of the high sec miners who once again are here bitching instead of finding their own way to adapt and evolve.

The low risk of the Catalyst FOTM gank boat was brought about as a direct result of high sec miners bitching. Yet, just as the miner who fit for max yield instead of fitting tank, you don't learn the lesson to stop bitching. It is only going to **** you in the end.


And these responses, at least in your opinion, are what? You're saying they equate to "Common Sense is a bannable offense"? Or they are spewing vitriol and hate. I'm confused. If you want to make a point be clear about it

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