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Eve mottos: Adapt or die, Eve is hard, HTFU
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Harbonah
Short Bus Window Licker
#61 - 2012-06-02 03:20:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Harbonah wrote:
Suicide ganking in high sec in a nutshell

1. Risk free first strike capability 100% of the time for the ganker

2. Ganker gets to choose the target and his weapon of which the smaller a ship is the less risk involved while still being able to kill it's enemy.

3. The miner is forced to trade protection for mining capability with dimishing returns on mining M3 while only getting marginal decreases in risk unless they trade out for a Battleship.


The ganker gets to attack and kill their enemy while their buddy collects the loot. RIsk free since the ganker will always respawn as there is no permadeath.

The miner takes all the risk as they risk both expensive ships and all the work they put into mining for the mostly pathetic return you get in high sec.


Sounds like miner ganking is the ultimate carebear activity to me. Completely risk free and the ganker knows and 100% controls exactly what he can lose without sacrificing his ability to kill his target.



Lets balance the risk equation.

CCP's next patch
High Sec Ganking
- Effective immediately Concord has declared an intent to crack down on criminals in high sec. In an efforts to do so Concord has fitted all cloning facilities with and electronic tagging system to identify and biomass any clone killed in high sec with a -7 sec rating or below.


Now those big bad miner killers have something to risk. No so eager to go out and pod kill newbies in high sec are you?


I demand you HTFU and request that CCP make permadeath a reality for criminals killed in High Sec. Then you can all fight each other in Low and Null sec and never have to see another carebear again unless you want to risk permadeath for the reward of killing a miner.

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Not so long ago you would have been celebrating the end of insurance payouts on gankboats and saying this is the end of mass ganking. You were wrong then and you are wrong now. This game is perfectly balanced in that, people who chose to not fit a tank are exposed to greater risk. Dont want that destroyer killing your hulk? Then protect yourself.

Ganking is here to stay and 9 years of EVE history tells us that it will not hurt the game.



No I wouldn't have. Most gankers use crap POS boats anyhow. Insurance payouts make little to no difference. Good way to sidestep the debate and go on an irrelevant tangent culminating on calling me wrong while providing no evidence for your argument.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#62 - 2012-06-02 03:27:22 UTC
Harbonah wrote:
No I wouldn't have. Most gankers use crap POS boats anyhow. Insurance payouts make little to no difference. Good way to sidestep the debate and go on an irrelevant tangent culminating on calling me wrong while providing no evidence for your argument.


Gankers use crap POS boats because they do not get insurance payouts on them. This made it less profitable to gank miners in a Brutix. So the gankers adapted.

Incidentally, the reason that insurance payouts were nerfed was because high sec miners came to the forums and clamored about high sec ganking.

Stop asking CCP for more favors. The gankers will just find a way to adapt and you'll just be back to proclaim your flawed belief that you are entitled to be safe.

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Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2012-06-02 03:37:59 UTC
Flip the coin.... i hate heads....lets flip it again....do not like tails today.
The thing is I play my way...your play your way....its the player's choice to leave or stay or whine on the forum till your panties are all in a wad. Just remember that Eve is not their primary money maker. they got other projects going on.and you ARE NOT the center of the Eve universe.

Miners i know its rough hulk gets popped. tank skills are ****. but you can mine with the best of them. well tell ya waht, keep all your minerals. gather up what BPCs you can build and keep everything on the side. DRY UP the market. Yeah there will be some that will not adhere to the idea but it will make prices sky rocket. and the PVP guys start crying about how expensive things are
EnslaverOfMinmatar
You gonna get aped
#64 - 2012-06-02 03:49:19 UTC
Marcus Harikari wrote:
I think EVE should change. It should be a happy place full of carebears, sunshine, lollipops, and unicorns!

go back to diablo 3

Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#65 - 2012-06-02 04:24:27 UTC
Harbonah wrote:


No I wouldn't have. Most gankers use crap POS boats anyhow. Insurance payouts make little to no difference. Good way to sidestep the debate and go on an irrelevant tangent culminating on calling me wrong while providing no evidence for your argument.



Yea, that's pretty much EVE forums.
derail to fail.

Nobody mentioned the Hybrid buff in any of this. Without it, there would be no Hulka-geddon now. It would be too cost prohibitive.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-06-02 04:45:33 UTC
Django Returns wrote:
@ Anazzar i think you are a fool and ignorant person. Tyranny and social injustice are build with the help of mindless sheeps like you.


Tyranny and social injustice?

You play one hardcore game man. Internet spacships is serious business to this guy, yo.