EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

Whats all this bloody babbling about mittani, how is that situation even remotely similar? You may not have realised, but this thread is about the tournament and the champions of last year, not your manlove for mittani. And in that regard, what Hydra and Outbreak did was not a breach of the rules - in fact what they did was explicitly stated as being ok. It's not rocket science bro, it's just the bums running the tourny being buttsore and biased

Lmao at people claiming they "ruined it". I don't get this at all - hydra and outbreak were responsible for some of the best fights in the last tournament (just not the final, but the dozen other great matches more than make up for that, as far as I'm concerned).



The new rules aren't - or shouldn't, at least - be about this kind of petty vengeance, it should be about doing whats best for the tournament. Outright banning the champions from last year, showing clear bias and unfair enforcement of rules, etc does not accomplish that. It's sad that not only players but even the people running the tourny don't seem to get this, and are just caught up in their own overreactions and rage

I think there is a misconception here that joining one corp due to wormhole logistics and POS mechanics is a very different thing than being in two corps in a single wormhole testing against each other.

The perceived boundary of being in separate corporations on the test server is completely artificial when you consider that two groups that test exclusively against each other will know and understand every setup used against them anyway. Being in separate corporations does not factor into or affect this at all.

If we in any way thought what we were doing was wrong or if we were trying to hide it I very much doubt we would've acted in a way that so many people see as "a clear breach of the rules."

No they weren't, they were told they could test against one another, but warned to be careful of the colluding rule, they were NEVER told they could share fits and tactics at all.

Re read the GM response, the go ahead was given simply to test against one another, not to join the same corp, not to share fits, not to share tactics, that is an absolute fabrication.

So what you're saying is that no amount of reason and normal discourse is going to sway you from your course of :mad: then.

I mean you were already making up stuff about how the GM's said its ok for them to share fits and when its pointed out to you that in fact that was NOT what they were given permission to do, and that they were actually warned to be careful of the colluding rule, AND that they had a rule enacted specifically targeting them and what they did last year, yet you stick your fingers in your ears and go lalalalalallala about it all.

I mean seriously, I don't understand how you can be presented with all the facts and still hold your stance that CCP was somehow in the wrong.

Hydra and Outbreak were in the wrong, point blank. Not partially, not because there wasn't enough conversation between them and the tourney team, they were simply flat out going to try again to do what they did last year by doing exactly what they did last year


But this is all pointless because you as a human are beyond the point of seeing reason and logic, you're just going to be mad about it no matter what.

I bet you thought Nixon got a raw deal too.

The rule change was in response to 0utbreak throwing the final match. No one has presented any evidence that either group was planning to throw a fight. Throwing a fight made for bad television. You claim they were going to repeat last years performance. Prove it. Use your mighty psychic powers and peer into the hearts of men. Tell us, which of them was going to throw the fight? Was it Hydra's turn to take a dive? Enlighten us with your awesome powers of prognostication.

You are allowed to spy on the test server. That is completely acceptable. If knowledge is power, then knowledge of your opponents tactics would presumably create a very lopsided fight. That is bad television, but it is entirely within the rules.

You are allowed to spar on the test server. That is completely acceptable. When you spar against someone not only do you get to see their fleet composition, any kills generate detailed kill reports. If one is concerned about the sharing of theory and fits, then one must by extension be against sparring. CCP allows sparring so we can infer that they place little weight on the importance of the information that is being generated.

Larger alliances have certain natural advantages. They have more people and resources to draw from. As the saying goes many hands makes for light work. Advantage is relative. If someone has an advantage then someone else has a disadvantage. It is not unreasonable that a smaller alliance would want to ease the logistical burdens that come from their smaller size.

As stated above, there are many ways that information can be legitimately disseminated. Sparring is allowed. The meta game is allowed. Spying is allowed. CCP cannot hope to monitor any communications that occur outside the game. It is preposterous to claim that the integrity of the Alliance Tournament depends upon corp membership upon the test server.

So you're saying you didn't read the post they made after the tournament last year (or the reference that was made to it last week) where they admitted to colluding and said that they were just too exhausted to properly pull off a fake finale then?

Since they admitted that they colluded last year, and then made the exact same motions this year as they did last year, we can infer from that their intent to collude yet again.

Or at least thats what all the sane people would do.


This is not court, you are not innocent until proven guilty here, if you act in a manner that resembles an action you have taken before it is not outside of reason to assume that you'll do it again if allowed.

I'm sorry you can't accept reality but I guess that burden is yours alone to bear since even Outbreak has outright came out and said they know and accept what they did wrong and hope that they can avoid such problems next year.

The rest of us hope they can too, so I guess that just leaves you, angry at the world and completely delusional

Not sure if master troll or first year pre-law.

Your argument proves too much. If you want to deny the presumption of innocence, then the appearance of impropriety is all that is needed to prove nefarious intent. You allow Hydra/0utbreak no further explanation, so you may offer none yourself. Your hatred towards Hydra/0utbreak is clouding your judgement. Your bias is obvious in that the same charitable interpretation you apply to yourself, you deny to others.

It is also interesting that you seem hell bent on insisting that before one can throw a fight, they must first team up together in the same wormhole on the test server. There are many allowed forms of cooperation that do not run foul of any rules. Presumably any communications regarding either team taking a dive would have occurred outside the game or those communications would have been published. You do realize that they don't actually have to spar against each other to collude? That is why the new rules are so very weak. CCP is incapable of monitoring the meta-game and unable to detect or quash any back room deals. They have banned steroids but no one is forced to pee in a cup.

Of course the tournament will go on. The point of this entire exercise is that CCP needs clearer rules and direct lines of communication with the AT team. Since you are so dedicated to arguing about appearances, it appears that some people last year had their pride hurt after being outfoxed and they jumped at the chance to revenge themselves. It appears that their pride is hurt when this forum is littered with blue posts containing such witticisms as: "Cool story bro". It appears that someone recognizes how bad this looks when a whole bunch of said posts are deleted.

And where did they do exactly the same thing as last year?
I only see speculation based on a training program which people don't approve of.