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Would Mineral Prices and Supply ever return to previous levels?
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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-06-02 00:07:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
Roisin Saoirse wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
People are dumping their large stockpile minerals and selling them at the high prices, but eventually once that dump is gone mineral prices will raise up to a new a equilibrium. It would not be surprising if Tier 3 Battleships became 300 million isk.


That is not a bad thing.

Sure, if you like the population of EVE to be players who refuse endanger their expensive ships because it takes a ridiculous amount of time to grind back the money to replace them.

If you think people are risk-averse carebears now, wait until the cost of ships hits an all-time high.

Exactly !!!

It was said: " You do realise that these prices are still lower than several years ago right?"

But since that time several years ago, you have many many new players who never saw those old prices. Who the hell is gonna fight when a ship that was 50 Million ISK today is 300 Million ISK tomorrow, and the time it takes for a newer player to earn that ISK is rediculous? I dunno, it sounds like crap to me...and I dont want to go back to crappy T1 Frigates because they are cheaper but now still cost as much as a Drake did last week...
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-06-02 00:14:09 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
But since that time several years ago, you have many many new players who never saw those old prices. Who the hell is gonna fight when a ship that was 50 Million ISK today is 300 Million ISK tomorrow, and the time it takes for a newer player to earn that ISK is rediculous? I dunno, it sounds like crap to me...and I dont want to go back to crappy T1 Frigates because they are cheaper but now still cost as much as a Drake did last week...


Good thing, then, that we're not faced with your farcically hyperbolic 500% increase in prices across the board.

Get a grip.
CaptainFalcon07
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#23 - 2012-06-02 00:16:13 UTC  |  Edited by: CaptainFalcon07
A possible way to prevent the skyrocket of mineral price is the complete removal of the insurance system. Doing away with the insurance would remove an isk faucet from the economy.

Why is insurance an isk faucet? Its simple:

You buy a ship from the seller for 100 million isk. Even if you didn't insure the ship, you would receive maybe about 30-40 million back from the ship loss from insurance.

The money given to the seller would not change, but the buyer of the ship gets 30-40 million in place of destroyed minerals.

As a result 40 million is injected into the economy, causing inflation and price raise.


But I assume removing the insurance system would create a massive wave of rage from many players. So I doubt this

solution would never come to light.
Myrkala
Royal Robot Ponies
#24 - 2012-06-02 00:22:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Roisin Saoirse wrote:
Because clearly, even more blobs are the best thing for EVE PvP. Roll
Who said anything about blobs?

Smaller ships in larger numbers, as in more smaller ships will be used, replacing those large, expensive ships.


It would change 0.0 a little maybe, since loosing a big pile of BS is more expensive... but if you bring enough of those large ships the opposition is less likely to risk their smaller BS fleet since the cost of loosing is proportionally much higher than before. T1 Cruisers aren't going to work well against a good Battleship fleet.

Though since its the base minerals that are being effected the most we will see more T2 and T3 Cruiser fleets... specifically Tengu blobs.

Tier 3 BCs can pick up the slack from less BS, in the form of similar dmg projection but lesser staying power (even though they have much improved mobility) and more vulnerability to smaller ships like frigates.

I'd be really surprised if bringing a T1 Cruiser to a CTA in Alliances across EVE becomes an accepted norm... what is more likely is that alliances with weak industrial backbones that rely on pure monetary income will have a harder time competing with alliances that have good infrastructure. I guess that is a good thing.

I'm not sure how mining is balanced but it would probably be a good idea to decide how long it should take a fully skilled and specialized miner to gather materials for a ship. I can't really give any ideas on what would be a good amount, but 6-8 hours mining for a Tier3 BS sounds good to me. It's all about balancing the time investment to control how expensive the ship should be, but it should always be more worthwhile time-wise to mine and build a ship than to just grind isk. It is really difficult to balance well when you try to factor supply and demand into it as well...
Stirko Hek
New Home Industries
#25 - 2012-06-02 00:23:28 UTC
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
A possible way to prevent the skyrocket of mineral price is the complete removal of the insurance system. Doing away with the insurance would remove an isk faucet from the economy.

Why is insurance an isk faucet? Its simple:

You buy a ship from the seller for 100 million isk. Even if you didn't insure the ship, you would receive maybe about 30-40 million back from the ship loss from insurance.

The money given to the seller would not change, but the buyer of the ship gets 30-40 million in place of destroyed minerals.

As a result 40 million is injected into the economy, causing inflation and price raise.


But I assume removing the insurance system would create a massive wave of rage from many players. So I doubt this

solution would never come to light.


This is a horrible idea and you should be ashamed of yourself. Your argument really is flawed, if we were to follow your logic, NPC bounties should also be removed as well as misison reward pay outs because they're just ISK injected into the economy.

Just, no.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-06-02 02:55:18 UTC
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
With the removal of drone loot, it seems that its the final nail on the coffin of a mining minerals with guns, along with removal of meta 0 modules from npc wrecks.

Since people can no longer really mine mineral with weapons anymore, actual rock mining is now the only real source of minerals. Mining however is very boring and still a very low paying venture despite minerals changes, not to mention with the countless ganks against highsec miners. I really doubt people will start jumping on to mining so easily, it will take a long time for the number of miners to significantly increase. Even then I doubt they could ever mine as much as legions of ratters in the Drone Regions could pull.

With all the changes made, I find it hard to believe that mining minerals will return the supply and prices to pre-change levels.

We can expect Tier 3 Battleships to stay at 200+ million for a good while.



play long enough and you'll see it happen.


also, buy 1000 of eveything, and store it somewhere safe. that'll be your ticket to riches one day. Wish I'd done that back in 2003.........

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2012-06-02 09:49:38 UTC
Myrkala wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Roisin Saoirse wrote:
Because clearly, even more blobs are the best thing for EVE PvP. Roll
Who said anything about blobs?

Smaller ships in larger numbers, as in more smaller ships will be used, replacing those large, expensive ships.


It would change 0.0 a little maybe, since loosing a big pile of BS is more expensive... but if you bring enough of those large ships the opposition is less likely to risk their smaller BS fleet since the cost of loosing is proportionally much higher than before. T1 Cruisers aren't going to work well against a good Battleship fleet.

Though since its the base minerals that are being effected the most we will see more T2 and T3 Cruiser fleets... specifically Tengu blobs.

Tier 3 BCs can pick up the slack from less BS, in the form of similar dmg projection but lesser staying power (even though they have much improved mobility) and more vulnerability to smaller ships like frigates.

I'd be really surprised if bringing a T1 Cruiser to a CTA in Alliances across EVE becomes an accepted norm... what is more likely is that alliances with weak industrial backbones that rely on pure monetary income will have a harder time competing with alliances that have good infrastructure. I guess that is a good thing.



Well the people in venal I was flying with managed to defend venal for years with just t1 and t2 cruisers. We had an entire line of caracals which did very well. Even now goons have blackbirds in their main fleets and I still sometimes grab a thorax as they are great fun. Honestly the t1 cruisers are by far the best ships for having fun with.
Kreeia Dgore
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-06-02 10:12:09 UTC
I still see the mission loot as a major income of minerals into the system. Does anyone have any numbers to either back up or decline my opinion?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2012-06-02 10:13:32 UTC
Kreeia Dgore wrote:
I still see the mission loot as a major income of minerals into the system. Does anyone have any numbers to either back up or decline my opinion?


Didn't CCP remove all meta 0 loot from rat drops?
Roisin Saoirse
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-06-02 13:30:44 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kreeia Dgore wrote:
I still see the mission loot as a major income of minerals into the system. Does anyone have any numbers to either back up or decline my opinion?


Didn't CCP remove all meta 0 loot from rat drops?

Only meta 0 loot, there's still tons of meta 1 and 2 that just end up being recycled.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-06-02 13:32:30 UTC
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
With the removal of drone loot, it seems that its the final nail on the coffin of a mining minerals with guns, along with removal of meta 0 modules from npc wrecks.


You can buy Rifters in null sec for 3million, why this should be different in high sec?

200M Tier 3 BS hull seems legit

brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-06-02 13:41:24 UTC
Kreeia Dgore wrote:
I still see the mission loot as a major income of minerals into the system.


It isn't.

You don't mission at all after changes to say that, salvage it's as always somewhat interesting but if you wait reprocess to build a single T3 battleship you're going to wait for a long while.

More meta4 supposed to compensate the T0 and isk amount of loot it's fake, market is flooded of meta4 items and the amount of minerals you get with perfect reprocess skills it's about half of what it was one year ago.

The problem is not and never was this loot/reprocess but drones poo and now if your are a higher % than usual it's only because mighty god hulkageddon, nothing else.
Stop hulkageddon and one month later mineral prices will be 20% cheaper and probably +50% supply


You fail to understand the real reason of hulkageddon has you failed to understand the Tech manipulation has you failed to understand isotopes manipulation etc

You, clearly don't get current Eve.

brb
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