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CCP's inconsistent handling of hi-sec.
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Fiddler Hays
Aerodyne Collective.
#1 - 2012-06-01 23:07:52 UTC
Since most of the miners/industrialist like to whine or want to make hi-sec a haven, this is an attempt to point out CCP’s inconsistent handling of hi-sec which I believe is causing all of the angst.

First. Eve Online is a sandbox game, PvP centric and difficult to play (See: State Obvious). For their own reasons, CCP has setup a NPC controlled area called hi-sec where they say the environment is safer. Not safe. Safer. You are subject to PvP anywhere within this environment and they have placed a NPC controlled entity called CONCORD to exact consequences on whomever commits a criminal act. Specifically the elimination of your ship and the possibility of being attacked by other players. No podding of course.

This criminal act will affect your security status. CCP has setup CONCORD to attack an Outlaws/Criminals ship once they reach a certain negative security status and enter a certain level of hi-sec.

Gamers that PvP in hi-sec say this system is perfect and well balanced. They commit a criminal act, CONCORD takes their ship and they get a a security hit. The victim normally loses their ship and possibly podded with loss of all implants. (Balanced??)

I disagree and feel CCP is being inconsistent with hi-sec in the following ways:

1. Criminal/Outlaw status in hi-sec is a farce. CCP has implemented a criminal system that has CONCORD shoot on site a criminals ship if they have a certain negative status and try to enter a certain level of hi-sec. I think most (Industrialists) would presume that would be to remove said criminal from his ship so that he cannot do harm. Yet it has been explained to me by experience PvPers, that that level of CONCORD can be easily tanked and is just for “realism”. It is only when you commit a crime does the Uber CONCORD step in to take your ship.

2. This farce is further confirmed by CCP’s statements that ganking is fine even at -10.0 in hi-sec. Ganking in hi-sec I have no issues with. Ganking in hi-sec at -10.0, I do take umbrage. This is CCP saying to me that criminals may commit acts of crime in hi-sec with impunity. And reinforced again by GoonSwarm making Hulkageddon a permanent Event. I have to no issues with Player Run Events. I do have issue with CCP allowing mechanics that make a single type of game play (industrialists) a profit center for an Alliance.

In my opinion as someone that has been playing this game for years, the only way to stop all the angst with the industrialist gamer is to truly have CONCORD do its job. If a person has committed enough crimes to have excluded themselves from piloting a ship in hi-sec, they should not be allowed to fly around tanking CONCORD until they strike again. These people have a means of raising their security status. Let them do the time and suffer the consequences of hi-sec crime. Otherwise, the "realism" of criminal status is pointless.

If you are an industrialist and agree with this post please comment.
Karadion Kohlar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-06-01 23:09:00 UTC
I read a bloo bloo bloo.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#3 - 2012-06-01 23:11:14 UTC
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
I read a bloo bloo bloo.



I read repetitive unoriginal quote.

Tal

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2012-06-01 23:11:22 UTC
I am an industrialist and I do not agree. 99% of people you see in high sec day in day out will not try to kill you. This fact alone tells me that CONCORD is doing its job.
Karadion Kohlar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-01 23:12:02 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
I read a bloo bloo bloo.



I read repetitive unoriginal quote.

Tal


And? I'm sorry, you're still a bloo blooing.
The Groundskeeper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-06-01 23:12:18 UTC
These forums are bloody brilliant nowadays.
Archimedes Eratosthenes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-06-01 23:12:40 UTC
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
I read a bloo bloo bloo.

I read a butthurt Mittani is trying to strike at CCP's wallet in revenge for his 30-day ban.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#8 - 2012-06-01 23:14:51 UTC
The rules are there.
You fail to understand them.
This is not CCP's fault.

This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.

"If you are part of the problem, you will be nerfed." -MadMuppet
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#9 - 2012-06-01 23:15:51 UTC
Keep whining on these boards and nothing will ever get done. Give to my TAKE BACK YOUR GAME FUND and we, the players will do something about it. We are the only ones that can do this. Not CCP. CCP doesn't care. If you really did care, you'd put your ISK where your whine is and help do something about it.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#10 - 2012-06-01 23:16:01 UTC
I read that far too many people on both sides of this are acting like butt hurt little children.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2012-06-01 23:17:08 UTC
Fiddler Hays wrote:
If you are an industrialist and agree with this post please comment.
I'm an industrialist and I don't agree.

You're also a bit misinformed about the various mechanics you're complaining about.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#12 - 2012-06-01 23:17:47 UTC
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
I read a bloo bloo bloo.



I read repetitive unoriginal quote.

Tal


And? I'm sorry, you're still a bloo blooing.




Wow, well done you managed some more real words, I'm impressed. Lol
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-06-01 23:18:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Zagdul
I'll bite!

You mention sandbox, so lets break down your suggestions. This time, lets pretend you truly want a sandbox.

1. Concord:

If this were a real sandbox, there would be no concord and "Space Police" would be player driven.

2. Security Status:

Well, again, if this were completely a sandbox and you were really for the idea of one, there wouldn't be a security status.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#14 - 2012-06-01 23:24:59 UTC
Fiddler Hays wrote:
In my opinion as someone that has been playing this game for years, the only way to stop all the angst with the industrialist gamer is to truly have CONCORD do its job. If a person has committed enough crimes to have excluded themselves from piloting a ship in hi-sec, they should not be allowed to fly around tanking CONCORD until they strike again. These people have a means of raising their security status. Let them do the time and suffer the consequences of hi-sec crime. Otherwise, the "realism" of criminal status is pointless.

They already nerfed suicide ganking by making it more difficult to reclaim security status. So...you're asking for "one more nerf"? Roll

MinerBumping.com
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#15 - 2012-06-01 23:26:00 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Fiddler Hays wrote:
In my opinion as someone that has been playing this game for years, the only way to stop all the angst with the industrialist gamer is to truly have CONCORD do its job. If a person has committed enough crimes to have excluded themselves from piloting a ship in hi-sec, they should not be allowed to fly around tanking CONCORD until they strike again. These people have a means of raising their security status. Let them do the time and suffer the consequences of hi-sec crime. Otherwise, the "realism" of criminal status is pointless.

They already nerfed suicide ganking by making it more difficult to reclaim security status. So...you're asking for "one more nerf"? Roll


Crap you can just recycle new characters, your mains will never get touched.

Tal

Gabriel Kaile
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-06-01 23:27:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Gabriel Kaile
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
I read a bloo bloo bloo.



I read repetitive unoriginal quote.

Tal



Thank God you signed your post.
I wouldn't have known it was you if you didn't.

Gabriel Kaile, Order of Merlin, Third Class, Honorary Member of the Dark Force Defense League, five time winner of Goonwaffe Weekly's Most-Charming Smile award
Gabriel Kaile
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-06-01 23:28:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Gabriel Kaile
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Fiddler Hays wrote:
In my opinion as someone that has been playing this game for years, the only way to stop all the angst with the industrialist gamer is to truly have CONCORD do its job. If a person has committed enough crimes to have excluded themselves from piloting a ship in hi-sec, they should not be allowed to fly around tanking CONCORD until they strike again. These people have a means of raising their security status. Let them do the time and suffer the consequences of hi-sec crime. Otherwise, the "realism" of criminal status is pointless.

They already nerfed suicide ganking by making it more difficult to reclaim security status. So...you're asking for "one more nerf"? Roll


Crap you can just recycle new characters, your mains will never get touched.

Tal



This is an exploit, deemed so by CCP.

Gabriel Kaile, Order of Merlin, Third Class, Honorary Member of the Dark Force Defense League, five time winner of Goonwaffe Weekly's Most-Charming Smile award
Roisin Saoirse
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-06-01 23:28:52 UTC
Fiddler Hays wrote:
1. Criminal/Outlaw status in hi-sec is a farce. CCP has implemented a criminal system that has CONCORD shoot on site a criminals ship if they have a certain negative status and try to enter a certain level of hi-sec. I think most (Industrialists) would presume that would be to remove said criminal from his ship so that he cannot do harm. Yet it has been explained to me by experience PvPers, that that level of CONCORD can be easily tanked and is just for “realism”. It is only when you commit a crime does the Uber CONCORD step in to take your ship.

Those PvPers you spoke to are clueless. For one thing, it isn't CONCORD who shoots negative sec pilots, it's the faction navies who are essentially just slightly tougher rats. CONCORD can't be tanked at all, even if you could somehow get a titan into highsec, once it had aggressed and got a GCC it would also die (albeit painfully slowly).

Otherwise, I agree the consequences are too lenient. When people just decide on a whim 'heck let's go gank someone in highsec for the lulz' without even giving a second thought to the negative effects (which are actually pretty laughable tbh) it's pretty clear it's no real deterrent.

And no, this isn't a whine it's just an observation.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2012-06-01 23:29:26 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Fiddler Hays wrote:
In my opinion as someone that has been playing this game for years, the only way to stop all the angst with the industrialist gamer is to truly have CONCORD do its job. If a person has committed enough crimes to have excluded themselves from piloting a ship in hi-sec, they should not be allowed to fly around tanking CONCORD until they strike again. These people have a means of raising their security status. Let them do the time and suffer the consequences of hi-sec crime. Otherwise, the "realism" of criminal status is pointless.

They already nerfed suicide ganking by making it more difficult to reclaim security status. So...you're asking for "one more nerf"? Roll


Crap you can just recycle new characters, your mains will never get touched.

Tal



You will get banned for that, report anyone doing it.
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#20 - 2012-06-01 23:31:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Fiddler Hays wrote:
In my opinion as someone that has been playing this game for years, the only way to stop all the angst with the industrialist gamer is to truly have CONCORD do its job. If a person has committed enough crimes to have excluded themselves from piloting a ship in hi-sec, they should not be allowed to fly around tanking CONCORD until they strike again. These people have a means of raising their security status. Let them do the time and suffer the consequences of hi-sec crime. Otherwise, the "realism" of criminal status is pointless.

They already nerfed suicide ganking by making it more difficult to reclaim security status. So...you're asking for "one more nerf"? Roll


Crap you can just recycle new characters, your mains will never get touched.

Tal



You will get banned for that, report anyone doing it.


How would you know if they were?

So close...
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