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When it's safer to bring Tengus into WH's than mine in high-sec, why mine?
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Maledictum Aideron
In Praise of Bacchus
#21 - 2012-06-01 16:08:47 UTC
Meanwhile mineral prices are looking great, real miners will continue and won't have to look at all you afk hulk pilots clogging up the belts and ruining profits. vOv You could always hop in your T3 and beat out that poor new sob trying to run plexes and anoms in his vexor, or blitz L4's like all the other IPH fanatics. Can we get back to people crying over ship losses and not their IPH, please? That's more entertaining to read. Thanks.
Le Dei Opus
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-06-01 16:24:26 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Le Dei Opus wrote:
This is pretty much an accurate summary of my post thanks.

You're less than two weeks old... You're not flying a Tengu, much less a Hulk.

So, not posting on your main, why?


Perhaps because my main is in Goonswarm.

Also, answer the question in the title if you're going to post. Why would anyone with half a brain mine when they can make more ISK in a Tengu in WH's? In the past you couldn't compare them, now that you have to be at your keyboard for every grueling second in order to survive, they have now become comparable.
Maledictum Aideron
In Praise of Bacchus
#23 - 2012-06-01 16:52:31 UTC
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Le Dei Opus wrote:
This is pretty much an accurate summary of my post thanks.

You're less than two weeks old... You're not flying a Tengu, much less a Hulk.

So, not posting on your main, why?
now that you have to be at your keyboard for every grueling second in order to survive.


Why do you feel you're entitled to mine this way and ruin the profits for everyone else? If mining is so terrible and unprofitable, why do you do it? Did you consider that real miners are sick and tired of people like you landing in the middle of their mining op, turning on your shield booster(rofl), dropping drones and targetting their rocks? That's what most of you people do, not that you'd know as you can't be bothered to take your nose out of that gripping novel you're reading.

Maybe that's why you aren't aware of your surroundings. Maybe you're just a smug little jerk that doesn't care and think none of those miners would gank you. So there you are, maxed yield, cargo fit, drones out and all in the middle of someone's op. Then in a brilliant and beautiful flash of light your world was shattered and here you are.
Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-06-01 16:57:43 UTC
Maledictum Aideron wrote:


Why do you feel you're entitled to mine this way and ruin the profits for everyone else? If mining is so terrible and unprofitable, why do you do it? Did you consider that real miners are sick and tired of people like you landing in the middle of their mining op, turning on your shield booster(rofl), dropping drones and targetting their rocks? That's what most of you people do, not that you'd know as you can't be bothered to take your nose out of that gripping novel you're reading.

Maybe that's why you aren't aware of your surroundings. Maybe you're just a smug little jerk that doesn't care and think none of those miners would gank you. So there you are, maxed yield, cargo fit, drones out and all in the middle of someone's op. Then in a brilliant and beautiful flash of light your world was shattered and here you are.


People are just as entitled to mine like how gankers are entitled to suicide gank. Except its easier for the suicide ganker to get the results they want.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-06-01 17:05:32 UTC
Spikeflach wrote:
People are just as entitled to mine like how gankers are entitled to suicide gank. Except its easier for the suicide ganker to get the results they want.


thanks for making it easy, miners!

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-06-01 17:10:27 UTC
Better than mining in high sec or just rat in WHs:

Kill all sites with your mates, salvage/loot stock

Mine gaz and end ores in the WH

Profit but, there's some but in the butter, you WILL have to pvp also and get gank in WHs is nothing different, however in some organised corporations and alliances this risk is very small but the reward for you, individual, goes over a few billions per week.

So, move on to WHs, null sec or whatever, you'll be then playing the real game.

brb
Vicata Heth
Sensible People
Sigma Grindset
#27 - 2012-06-01 19:21:01 UTC
Another interesting point I want to make, is that hulkageddon being made "permanent" may very well benefit the miners. If miners are constantly getting ganked, they're going to stop mining as it will no longer be profitable but instead be exactly the opposite. As a result of this less new resources will be brought into the economy. This will help to burn off some of the excess stock which may cause the prices to rise as supply can no longer meet demands. Mining can become more profitable as a result. This is the beautiful meta-game of EVE.

Also to those arguing that one should go to W-Space, null sec, get remote rep buddies, set up intel channels, etc. The current mining income doesn't warrant doing any of this. W-Space would require that you're constantly aware of your situation and surroundings, in other words no afk mining. The same can be said for null sec. Mining profits aren't worth it for one person to sit in a hulk and mine while actively paying attention to their surroundings. Let alone two, or three. Intel channels are a low effort way to help, but the fact that mining doesn't appeal to those that are aware of their surroundings means these intel channels aren't likely to be effective.
Twulf
Purple Void Corporation
LinkNet
#28 - 2012-06-01 19:40:11 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
So you are adapting but you try to make it sound like a bad thing?


I knew some idiot would post something like this.

She is adpating by closing 3 accounts. yes that is the kind of Adpating that CCP and EvE need to grow.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#29 - 2012-06-01 21:10:43 UTC
Vicata Heth wrote:
Another interesting point I want to make, is that hulkageddon being made "permanent" may very well benefit the miners. If miners are constantly getting ganked, they're going to stop mining as it will no longer be profitable but instead be exactly the opposite. As a result of this less new resources will be brought into the economy. This will help to burn off some of the excess stock which may cause the prices to rise as supply can no longer meet demands. Mining can become more profitable as a result. This is the beautiful meta-game of EVE.

Also to those arguing that one should go to W-Space, null sec, get remote rep buddies, set up intel channels, etc. The current mining income doesn't warrant doing any of this. W-Space would require that you're constantly aware of your situation and surroundings, in other words no afk mining. The same can be said for null sec. Mining profits aren't worth it for one person to sit in a hulk and mine while actively paying attention to their surroundings. Let alone two, or three. Intel channels are a low effort way to help, but the fact that mining doesn't appeal to those that are aware of their surroundings means these intel channels aren't likely to be effective.



Mining is very profitable to me. I do not need to mine long to get what I need. Intel channels are very good, if all partake in it. You cover each other's backs.

You make assumptions and fail at it. Not all miners are bot's or AFK. Not all miners 23.5/7 mine. Not all miners lay down, and accept what Gankers do.


o7
Frederick Sanger
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-06-01 21:20:04 UTC
No one is forcing you to do anything. You're free to die hilariously by being terrible all you want.
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
#31 - 2012-06-01 21:46:40 UTC
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Le Dei Opus wrote:
This is pretty much an accurate summary of my post thanks.

You're less than two weeks old... You're not flying a Tengu, much less a Hulk.

So, not posting on your main, why?


Perhaps because my main is in Goonswarm.

Also, answer the question in the title if you're going to post. Why would anyone with half a brain mine when they can make more ISK in a Tengu in WH's? In the past you couldn't compare them, now that you have to be at your keyboard for every grueling second in order to survive, they have now become comparable.


It sounds like you've finally figured out that mining is **** and that everything else is better. What's funny, though, is that you've apparently never realized that there are other hands-off professions available - even in highsec - that make hilariously more isk.

This is why I hate you. It's the miner mentality -- no curiosity, no ambition, won't move unless shoved. If hulkageddon infinity makes people like you engage their brains for the first time ever, then I say it is the best thing ever to happen in this game.
iownuall123
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-06-01 21:54:54 UTC
If miners realized that it's more effective (and cheaper) to mine with a covetor than with a tanked hulk I think their narrow-sighted brains would explode. The only thing a tanked hulk makes is a funny killmail, because they actually believed tanking their hulk was cost effective and would actually work.
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#33 - 2012-06-01 22:28:09 UTC
Pretty much anything is more profitable than mining. Trading is much more profitable and 100% safe, for example. People are having issues because mining was a sort of relaxing passtime for some, and an afk/semi-afk method of making isk for others. It is no longer either of these things and much rage has ensued. I haven't mined in a very long time, but I used to find it a laid back way to do something with corpies. I can understand why people are annoyed that this has been removed from the game, but this is Eve. That's life in the big galaxy.

No good deed goes unpunished
Hanuman Li Tosh
Nullbear Protection Act of 2019
#34 - 2012-06-01 22:35:13 UTC
Le Dei Opus wrote:
So, I decided that if I'm going to be forced to spam D-scan for every boring and miserable second that I'm mining on mining accounts that I use a great portion of their ISK mining income to buy PLEX to fund their accounts, that I may as well cancel all those accounts and just go Wormholing in my Tengu on my main one ONE account.

The profit of Wormholes is far superior to mining in high sec, AND IT SHOULD BE. Bringing a ship into a wormhole is a very risky affair and certainly not something you can do while watching TV or playing chess on your computer. Y

Yes, that's right, I admitted that I returned to my computer about once every 10-15 minutes while mining to haul my ore back. High sec mining (when you include the monthly PLEX costs in ISK per mining account) is seriously no where near as rewarding as you think, and the loss of a Hulk is nearly equally devestating. Also, before you go hating on semi-afk mining, consider that anyone would would stare at PIXEL asteroids for 2+ hours a day WOULD BE SEVERELY MENTALLY ILL.

Now granted if I'm flying around in a blinged out Hulk with deadspace tanking modules and T2 rigs, I should expect to be ganked. However when I'm flying in a 25k ehp Hulk, I consider that to normally be a deterrent against people who would gank a Hulk "for the lulz." As such my Hulk losses very rare and I never mined during Hulkageddon.

Now I didn't complain about this Hulkageddon, because all the previous Hulkageddons lasted only a month and I was content with my ISK pool that I would accumulate between Hulkageddons.

However, as of today, Goonswarm announced that Hulkageddon would be permanent. Now my other three mining accounts will remain closed and as of today I'm closing my primary mining account because I no longer feel like baby-sitting in my heavily armor tanked Arbitrator spamming D-scan on my main to protect that one Hulk with Large Shield Transporters and ECM drones/modules.

I may as well ENJOY my ISK -making in EvE and just fly my mothballed Tengu back into WH's and farm away. Of course I won't be able to devote my time to this as much as I did mining (because I could do things around the house, feed my dog, mow the lawn, do my research papers etc while mining) so between the increased hourly "wage" of Wormholes and inflation of the market (and thus inflation of WH loot) I expect to make around as much money as I have been while mining and perhaps more, although this will demand constant activity and attention.

Oh, actually it wouldn't require any more constant activity and attention that is the current state of high sec mining. So, why even bother mining anymore?


Its safe in wormholes because nobody is ******* logging in. Nobody is logging in because CCP lets the inmates run the asylum.

I am enjoying watching them (CCP) burn TBH.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2012-06-01 22:38:18 UTC
Spikeflach wrote:

People are just as entitled to mine like how gankers are entitled to suicide gank. Except its easier for the suicide ganker to get the results they want.


Only if the miner makes it easy.
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