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Which ships are balanced in your opinions?
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Noisrevbus
#21 - 2012-06-01 15:50:11 UTC
Dear OP,

How do you mean balanced?

Balance within a class of ships?
A single ship's balance in the greater scheme of things?
A singled out ship in a class to exemplify where the class should be compared to others?
A ship pertaining to a certain race that would be a beacon to build racial balance around?

You don't seem to have a concept of balance, or you do not define what kind of answers you are looking for properly.

Until you do, this thread will be as fruitless as it has been so far...
Liam Mirren
#22 - 2012-06-01 15:58:43 UTC
Natasha Hec wrote:
Yep there is no way to catch things with a faster straight line speed, I mean it never happens........ever


While you're ofcourse correct I doubt a light tanked incursus has the time to pull that trick on a good dps ranged Slicer before he runs out of structure.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
Natasha Hec
Croatoan Enterprises
#23 - 2012-06-01 16:19:14 UTC
Liam Mirren wrote:
Natasha Hec wrote:
Yep there is no way to catch things with a faster straight line speed, I mean it never happens........ever


While you're ofcourse correct I doubt a light tanked incursus has the time to pull that trick on a good dps ranged Slicer before he runs out of structure.



You would be surprised what it can do now

Incursus vs. 3 Slicers
Viribus
Aurora.
The Initiative.
#24 - 2012-06-01 16:21:59 UTC
Natasha Hec wrote:
Liam Mirren wrote:
Natasha Hec wrote:
Yep there is no way to catch things with a faster straight line speed, I mean it never happens........ever


While you're ofcourse correct I doubt a light tanked incursus has the time to pull that trick on a good dps ranged Slicer before he runs out of structure.



You would be surprised what it can do now

Incursus vs. 3 Slicers


How many carriers were repping the incursus?

watch me be a scurb and get owned
Wuxi Wuxilla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-06-01 16:36:13 UTC
Viribus wrote:
Natasha Hec wrote:
Liam Mirren wrote:
Natasha Hec wrote:
Yep there is no way to catch things with a faster straight line speed, I mean it never happens........ever


While you're ofcourse correct I doubt a light tanked incursus has the time to pull that trick on a good dps ranged Slicer before he runs out of structure.



You would be surprised what it can do now

Incursus vs. 3 Slicers


How many carriers were repping the incursus?


Massive amounts of offgrid boosters.
Natasha Hec
Croatoan Enterprises
#26 - 2012-06-01 16:51:58 UTC
Viribus wrote:

How many carriers were repping the incursus?


Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:

Massive amounts of offgrid boosters.


Wrong and wrong

about 150mil in Hardwirings and some luck
Liam Mirren
#27 - 2012-06-01 22:51:46 UTC
A single decent slicer in a comparable situation as the Incursus (gang links etc) would win every time, be honest. some kills against not so brilliant folks and backed by god knows what doesn't prove anything. Just because a rifter once killed a megathron doesn't prove it's better.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#28 - 2012-06-01 22:54:48 UTC
shuttle, most balanced ship in eve
Ray Parez
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-06-02 06:31:35 UTC
Noisrevbus wrote:
Dear OP,

How do you mean balanced?

Balance within a class of ships?
A single ship's balance in the greater scheme of things?
A singled out ship in a class to exemplify where the class should be compared to others?
A ship pertaining to a certain race that would be a beacon to build racial balance around?

You don't seem to have a concept of balance, or you do not define what kind of answers you are looking for properly.

Until you do, this thread will be as fruitless as it has been so far...


I was thinking the first two. Therefore, ships that are balanced between each other in the same class, with differences and similarities between the ships themselves, as well as balanced compared to other ships, having a specific role to play that allows it to fill a very specific role. For instance, all the logistic ships are useful in different situations, and they have their place in the grand scheme as well, being the only sub cap class capable of doing serious repping.
Wuxi Wuxilla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-06-02 07:31:53 UTC
Natasha Hec wrote:
Viribus wrote:

How many carriers were repping the incursus?


Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:

Massive amounts of offgrid boosters.


Wrong and wrong

about 150mil in Hardwirings and some luck


Yes, Heretic Army, Amamake and no links. Who's going to believe that?
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#31 - 2012-06-02 08:51:57 UTC
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:
Natasha Hec wrote:
Viribus wrote:

How many carriers were repping the incursus?


Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:

Massive amounts of offgrid boosters.


Wrong and wrong

about 150mil in Hardwirings and some luck


Yes, Heretic Army, Amamake and no links. Who's going to believe that?


Don't care really.

Point was that you can kill slicers in Incursus if you work the situation in your favour I.e. through managing there gate agro and making them reapproach the gate because you have been jumping in and out for 2 mins

Slicers aren't that great. Yes a well flown one can be but the vast majority of slicer pilots are terrible

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]
Kreeia Dgore
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-06-02 09:49:39 UTC
You know, balance have many forms.
Freighters and shuttles were mentioned already, they are the most balanced ships in EvE.
As regards the rest, well, there are allways gaps to be filled, but what gaps exactly, that depends on your understanding of balance.
For example, from the general point of view, caldari being the best for pve and minmatar being most used in pvp is a strong sign of imbalance because it means 75% of ships aren't competitive. Yet many people do not see it as such.
Wuxi Wuxilla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-06-02 10:31:48 UTC
Korg Tronix wrote:
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:
Natasha Hec wrote:
Viribus wrote:

How many carriers were repping the incursus?


Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:

Massive amounts of offgrid boosters.


Wrong and wrong

about 150mil in Hardwirings and some luck


Yes, Heretic Army, Amamake and no links. Who's going to believe that?


Don't care really.

Point was that you can kill slicers in Incursus if you work the situation in your favour I.e. through managing there gate agro and making them reapproach the gate because you have been jumping in and out for 2 mins

Slicers aren't that great. Yes a well flown one can be but the vast majority of slicer pilots are terrible


Don't get me wrong, I like Heretic Army and I like Amamake. But there is always at least a Loki on scan, if not more t3.

And I agree, a well flown Incursus can take out a normal slicer pilot, Incursus resists + rep are great against Scorch, the ship isn't that slow, even plated and as you said, most slicer pilots are terrible.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#34 - 2012-06-02 10:51:32 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Drake.


I'd actually argue that it's well balanced. It's flexible, yes, but if you fit it for damage it goes down faster than a "strong" female character in a George Martin novel and if it's fit for tank even a stealth bomber can basically ignore it, kill its friends, then wave and ride off into the sunset before it hits hull.

If you balance the two, for instance making a buffer fit for PvP, you get a decently scrappy midsized ship with a good bit of punch across the size categories, basically like every other BC. It can come out better than some and worse than others, but not to such a degree that it overcomes the effect of pilot skill.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-06-02 14:23:01 UTC
Tengu/Loki -however fleet boost sub or mechanics needs some work

Assault frigs

Minmatar lineup

brb
warzonetemp
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-06-02 14:52:35 UTC  |  Edited by: warzonetemp
Kreeia Dgore wrote:
You know, balance have many forms.
Freighters and shuttles were mentioned already, they are the most balanced ships in EvE.
As regards the rest, well, there are allways gaps to be filled, but what gaps exactly, that depends on your understanding of balance.
For example, from the general point of view, caldari being the best for pve and minmatar being most used in pvp is a strong sign of imbalance because it means 75% of ships aren't competitive. Yet many people do not see it as such.


Amarr and Galante have their uses, but both are reliant on cap for primary weapons, except drones, and many pvp fits have neuts.

Amarr are the best neuters in the game and I dare say the best continuous DPS Sov Bashers with their lasers (Saves time for ammo change and keeps up the fire no matter what.)

With the new drone buff, I can honestly say a Dominix should now out DPS a CNR, even if it's more skill intensive on drones. As for a Rattlesnake or Domi, cost is in the Domi's corner. PvE should belong to the Galantes.

I hope the next big war in null sec will see galante ships used more, especially classic domis with the new rigs to help out cpus to fit meaningful blaster fits.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#37 - 2012-06-02 15:20:28 UTC
Harbingers are pretty much the most reasonable spaceships around.
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-06-02 15:29:31 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Harbingers are pretty much the most reasonable spaceships around.


Kinda this. Their mass could be higher though.
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