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What Us Ice "Pubbies" Need to Do About "Goonswarm Shrugged"
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Luzia Breen
Acolytes of the Holy Necromancer
#1 - 2011-10-05 10:06:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Luzia Breen
Honestly, I don't even know how many of us care about what is happening there in Gallente ice belt space. Well, we should care. Goonswarm is taking an extremely well-organized stab at preventing access to all Gallente ice. And they're succeeding. Yes, I'm impressed. I read their battle plan (what was public info, anyway) and it was well-thought out and masterfully executed.

So, Goonswarm's great, and the rest of us "pubbies" just suck? Why? Why do we cry and wring our hands, instead of fighting back? Goons expect us to whine at CCP(who will laugh at us, since Goon is simply using area-denial strategies and not mucking with game mechanics), instead of fighting back. They hope we fight, all the while sighing at the 9,367th whiner in local who just lost their Mack because they didn't come prepared to fight for their piece of ice.

I'm not even an ice miner, yet. I wanted to be, but my Mack is safely stored at the moment. I don't want it to be. I want it to be out there, mining. But I can't. Because first, I need to make sure the ice is clear of Goons, and stays clear of Goons.

So, I know there are smart people out there. I want to hear your ideas about how to clear the belts and keep them clear. I'll start.

I plan to use an alt and repeatedly shoot ice in my noobship w/ the ol' Civilian blaster(Gallente), getting blown up over and over again, but hopefully keeping Concord in the belt. Will this work? Does this totally suck? It's essentially what Goon is doing, yes. According to their anti-Concord strategies.

If it sucks, does anyone have any better ideas, especially long-term ones? Heavily-reinforced fleets will certainly help, but keep in mind Goon will draw resources from other ice-belt systems if they need to take down a heavily-defended fleet. Hiring merc corps for defense?

We need ideas, men and women. And we need to fight. Unless we all want to whine in 6 months because a Tech 2 armor hardener now costs 40m.
antigoone
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-10-05 10:31:40 UTC
Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-10-05 10:45:28 UTC
You could just stop ice mining for a couple of weeks.
antigoone
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-10-05 10:56:33 UTC
Smabs wrote:
You could just stop ice mining for a couple of weeks.


No.

If Goonswarm makes good money from this operation, they will do that regulary.
Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-10-05 11:03:08 UTC
Making the assumption that you're not a goon alt or anything here:

Does it matter, really? Eve has dozens of different things to do and ships to fly. If mining barges are getting ganked in a region just go do something else. If certain ships become expensive just go fly something else.

It seems a bit weird to get in such a fit about something that's so easily avoidable.
antigoone
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-10-05 11:20:59 UTC
Smabs wrote:
Making the assumption that you're not a goon alt or anything here:

Does it matter, really? Eve has dozens of different things to do and ships to fly. If mining barges are getting ganked in a region just go do something else. If certain ships become expensive just go fly something else.

It seems a bit weird to get in such a fit about something that's so easily avoidable.


For the challenge ! For the fun ! It's a game !

And for the isk also.
antigoone
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-10-05 11:33:06 UTC  |  Edited by: antigoone
Goonswarm can keep an ice belt clear with only one or two guys in the system because players just don't know the mechanics of the game.

You can keep an ice belt clear of goons with an shiny new uncorped alt, even with a trial account.

Goons *can't* take out your barge if Concord is already in the belt.

If you fire at someone in the belt with the rookie ship, then Concord will come and stay in the belt for 15 minutes to several hours (by the way, does anyone know the exact mechanic ?). The alt will get a new rookie ship as soon as he gets back to station.

Wait for 15 minutes (outlaw tag cooldown) and restart.

When the alt reaches -5 security status, destrroy him and create a new one.

Read my guide.
Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-10-05 12:12:28 UTC
Quote:
For the challenge ! For the fun ! It's a game !

And for the isk also.


You know it's probably just a coincidence but that sounds a lot like vile rat for some reason.

Anyway, I guess punching myself in the face as many times as I can is a challenge too. And yeah, it's a game - stop playing it the way other people want you to. Plus you can make more isk doing, well, anything really. Unless you're running bots ofc.

Pretty sure that spawning concord onto a belt is an exploit but I'm not sure how much ccp actually polices that kinda stuff.
antigoone
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-10-05 12:17:20 UTC
Smabs wrote:
Quote:
For the challenge ! For the fun ! It's a game !

And for the isk also.


You know it's probably just a coincidence but that sounds a lot like vile rat for some reason.

Anyway, I guess punching myself in the face as many times as I can is a challenge too. And yeah, it's a game - stop playing it the way other people want you to. Plus you can make more isk doing, well, anything really. Unless you're running bots ofc.

Pretty sure that spawning concord onto a belt is an exploit but I'm not sure how much ccp actually polices that kinda stuff.


No it's not an exploit.

Only surviving concord is an exploit.
Goose99
#10 - 2011-10-05 13:24:45 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Smabs wrote:
You could just stop ice mining for a couple of weeks.


Any ice miner with 2 brain cells to rub together won't stop, with oxytope prices the way they are.

antigoone wrote:
Goonswarm can keep an ice belt clear with only one or two guys in the system because players just don't know the mechanics of the game.

You can keep an ice belt clear of goons with an shiny new uncorped alt, even with a trial account.

Goons *can't* take out your barge if Concord is already in the belt.

If you fire at someone in the belt with the rookie ship, then Concord will come and stay in the belt for 15 minutes to several hours (by the way, does anyone know the exact mechanic ?). The alt will get a new rookie ship as soon as he gets back to station.

Wait for 15 minutes (outlaw tag cooldown) and restart.

When the alt reaches -5 security status, destrroy him and create a new one.

Read my guide.


Biomass has timer, don't bother. If your -5 noob alts spawn faction police, more help never hurts. Please do not recommend any actions that violate the EVE Online EULA. -- Spitfire
Darrow Hill
Vodka and Vice
#11 - 2011-10-05 13:30:49 UTC
antigoone wrote:
Goons *can't* take out your barge if Concord is already in the belt.


Having Concord in the belt won't save you from an alpha strike.
Darrow Hill
Vodka and Vice
#12 - 2011-10-05 13:32:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Darrow Hill
antigoone wrote:
When the alt reaches -5 security status, destrroy him and create a new one.


While forcing a Concord spawn using an alt is not an exploit, recycling suicide alts most certainly is.

Your advice is terrible.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2011-10-05 14:06:17 UTC
antigoone wrote:
Goons *can't* take out your barge if Concord is already in the belt.


miners who think this are my favorite, it's hilarious blasting them out of the sky sitting right next to concord

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2011-10-05 14:07:04 UTC
one second you're there completely safe from concord, the next second you're in a pod and don't even know what happened

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2011-10-05 14:11:04 UTC
antigoone wrote:
Resist Goonswarm Big smile

http://resist-goonsarm.over-blog.com/article-resist-goonswarm-85885336.html


oh god can't stop laughing

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2011-10-05 14:11:31 UTC
resist-goonsarm

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
JackStraw56
Run Like an Antelope
#17 - 2011-10-05 14:13:40 UTC
Recycling alts because their sec status gets too low IS considered an exploit. Not too often enforced I would say, but don't announce publicly you plan to do it.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#18 - 2011-10-05 16:32:24 UTC
antigoone wrote:
Goons *can't* take out your barge if Concord is already in the belt


lol

Concord are in the belt.

I warp in. No response.

I target you. No response.

I shoot. You die instantly.
[.... 2 or 3 seconds pass....]
CONCORD jams, eventually pops me.

The fact you even made a web-page about this is a little special.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons
Silver Dragonz
#19 - 2011-10-05 16:47:47 UTC
1) Don't mine ice
2) Don't buy ice from the market
3) Find another area of gallente space to call home or buck up and take it to null/low sec :P
In the grand scheme of things... You're all pubbies. So HTFU.   "It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses." - Elwood Blues
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#20 - 2011-10-05 18:37:31 UTC

A couple of thoughts....

1.) If your going to spawn concord for protection, 1 alt isn't really enough. The goon's guide clearly states how to clear a belt of a concord spawn... The trick is, create multiple concord spawns.... (use 3 alts, and have them all gcc simultaneously). This makes clearing the belt trickier. (but not really all that hard....)

2.) If you have all these alts, why not use one to RR yourself. A scimi could easily provide cap stable reps to three mackinaws, while having a good tank itself.... It would be enough to stop most single-attacker ganks, and force them to use several BC's per ship. (note: keep the scimi moving and rep at range). An osprey, while much, much less efficient, would be a poor man's alternative. The best way to defeat an organized assault is an organized defense.....

On a final note.... while the prices hurt my BO's and capital ship movement, the goons have earned a little respect from me for actually pulling this off. I consider it an awesome undertaking.... On the other hand, this is probably a grave insult to a goon, and will be hunted down and molested for using respect and goon in the same sentence (by goons and non-goons alike!)
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