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Lack of respect for customers.

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Cpt Lox
Grupa Operacyjna ZLY CHUJI
Unicorns from Hell
#1 - 2012-06-01 12:11:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Lox
And another petition went to one of GMs, and another week or two waiting, but thats not a problem. The problem lies in answer, as again i received exactly same answer for reinbursment petition, very standard one. But i could ask why do i need to wait a week or 2 for simple copy - paste, while it can be done in seconds ??? Straight so let me put my answer, u all are rather familiar with situation:

"lolol that is ******* bullshit ! u put exactly same answer to every single reinbursment petition, which means u dont even read this and automatically put answer 'no' to every single petition u recived. I am paying real money for this game so i want to be treated with a CUSTOMER RESPECT - not like : copy - paste, next! which means at least u should read that petition, and give answer related to the problem. And i really dont give a **** about your server, if i say there is a bug (why i lost ship), and i ask on help channel and few other people says: there is a bug, that means THERE IS A BUG, so dont give me a bullshit: we didnt find a problem because u didnt even look for it!! (copy - paste, next! rule) Prove me wrong!!! Its not about the isks as the lost ship was worth like 15mil, its about RESPECT that person, at front of monitor, a person who pays for game (which means giving you your ******* salary) should get. "
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#2 - 2012-06-01 12:13:45 UTC
Copy/Paste letters are standard practice in customer service because they are phrased in a way that has been vetted by the legal department.

Don't assume that no effort went into it just because it is a standardized form they are required to use.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.

smokess
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-06-01 12:13:59 UTC
I have received quite a few ships back after petitioning my loss.

The key thing is......wait for it......I don't expect to get my **** back when something was my fault.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#4 - 2012-06-01 12:15:41 UTC
You try answering 100+ petitions a day, many by people who are, much like yourself, bossy, pushy, and feel far too entitled and see how often you copy and paste.

Get over it. As you said, the ship was cheap to you. How about you show some more respect first, stop complaining about minor issues, and let the gms deal with real problems?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-01 12:16:27 UTC
Cpt Lox wrote:
And another petition went to one of GMs, and another week or two waiting, but thats not a problem. The problem lies in answer, as again i received exactly same answer for reinbursment petition, very standard one. But i could ask why do i need to wait a week or 2 for simple copy - paste, while it can be done in seconds ??? Straight so let me put my answer, u all are rather familiar with situation:

"lolol that is ******* bullshit ! u put exactly same answer to every single reinbursment petition, which means u dont even read this and automatically put answer 'no' to every single petition u recived. I am paying real money for this game so i want to be treated with a CUSTOMER RESPECT - not like : copy - paste, next! which means at least u should read that petition, and give answer related to the problem. And i really dont give a **** about your server, if i say there is a bug (why i lost ship), and i ask on help channel and few other people says: there is a bug, that means THERE IS A BUG, so dont give me a bullshit: we didnt find a problem because u didnt even look for it!! (copy - paste, next! rule) Prove me wrong!!! Its not about the isks as the lost ship was worth like 15mil, its about RESPECT that person, at front of monitor, a person who pays for game (which means giving you your ******* salary) should get. "


I wouldn't expect to receive any respect sending a message like that.

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Frying Doom
#6 - 2012-06-01 12:17:55 UTC
I have always found being polite and thanking people for their time gets you alot further.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-06-01 12:18:39 UTC
Looks like a lack of respect for a guy doing his job and following procedure, too. o7 There's a difference between voicing a complaint and acting in an insulting manner.
Haldor Rune
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-06-01 12:21:10 UTC
Everyone has explained the situation pretty well, but I hope all posts after this continue to show how much of a jerk you were.
ChaeDoc II
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-06-01 12:21:59 UTC
Maybe CCP should reply more personally to your petitions in future. Something along the lines of:

"As a result of your continued and frivolous use of the petition system it has been decided to remove 500mil ISK from your account."


Maybe if CCP didn't have to investigate every pathetic petition from complete ****tards like yourself the system would run more quickly.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-06-01 12:24:32 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Looks like a lack of respect for a guy doing his job and following procedure, too. o7 There's a difference between voicing a complaint and acting in an insulting manner.


This

You ever hear the phrase respect is earned.
Well a some manners and above all respect to the person you are talking to might just get a better response.
In short clean up your act.
Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#11 - 2012-06-01 12:27:07 UTC
Cpt Lox wrote:
And another petition went to one of GMs, and another week or two waiting, but thats not a problem. The problem lies in answer, as again i received exactly same answer for reinbursment petition, very standard one. But i could ask why do i need to wait a week or 2 for simple copy - paste, while it can be done in seconds ??? Straight so let me put my answer, u all are rather familiar with situation:

"lolol that is ******* bullshit ! u put exactly same answer to every single reinbursment petition, which means u dont even read this and automatically put answer 'no' to every single petition u recived. I am paying real money for this game so i want to be treated with a CUSTOMER RESPECT - not like : copy - paste, next! which means at least u should read that petition, and give answer related to the problem. And i really dont give a **** about your server, if i say there is a bug (why i lost ship), and i ask on help channel and few other people says: there is a bug, that means THERE IS A BUG, so dont give me a bullshit: we didnt find a problem because u didnt even look for it!! (copy - paste, next! rule) Prove me wrong!!! Its not about the isks as the lost ship was worth like 15mil, its about RESPECT that person, at front of monitor, a person who pays for game (which means giving you your ******* salary) should get. "



Having worked in customer service I can say that you'll be right at the back of the queue with a petition like that. That's if they don't simply delete it.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-06-01 12:27:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
ChaeDoc II wrote:
Maybe if CCP didn't have to investigate every pathetic petition from complete ****tards like yourself the system would run more quickly.


Well, he does have the right to petition for whatever he lost, still.

OP, reinbursements will take a long time because the GMs have to check the server logs to see how you lost your stuff, first. They have to do that with each petition, I think.

EDIT: Although I heard a rumour EVE doesn't keep detailed combat logs? :S I unno
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#13 - 2012-06-01 12:30:41 UTC
Thread title should read "Lack of Customer Respect"

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#14 - 2012-06-01 12:34:04 UTC
Hey guys, as someone who works in the tech cst service sector, I gotta say every single post in this thread so far has made the end of my shift way happier, just knowing people aren't all that stupid.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.

GM Homonoia
Game Master Retirement Home
#15 - 2012-06-01 12:34:56 UTC
First, let me reiterate a post I made in another thread:

GM Homonoia wrote:
Let me apologize for the petition reply times at the moment. Currently we are working under a very heavy load and we are hiring aggressively to compensate for this. Current wait times (as of this message) are as follows:

Oldest petition without a reply in Billing: 2012.05.31 18:41:00
Oldest petition without a reply in Game Play: 2012.05.24 15:21:00
Oldest petition without a reply in Technical:2012.05.29 15:11:00
Number of petitions awaiting a GM answer in Billing: 130
Number of petitions awaiting a GM answer in Game Play: 1646
Number of petitions awaiting a GM answer in Technical: 177

Note that these do not represent all petitions as some types of cases have to be handled using special procedures; these may take longer to be resolved. Examples of these types of cases are: hacking and account sharing, botting, RMT, ISK buying, account disputes and any escalated cases.


Cpt Lox wrote:
But i could ask why do i need to wait a week or 2 for simple copy - paste, while it can be done in seconds ???"


This has to do with the sheer amount of petitions in our queues. Once we get to a petition we can usually investigate and send out a reply inside 15 minutes. The waiting times mostly come from the fact that there are 1500 petitions in front of you; we work under a first come, first serve principle (per queue type).

Cpt Lox wrote:
And another petition went to one of GMs, and another week or two waiting, but thats not a problem. The problem lies in answer, as again i received exactly same answer for reinbursment petition, very standard one.


Do we use standard replies? Yes, we do. We simply have to due to the sheer amount of petitions we deal with on a daily basis. On top of that, a large amount of petitions deal with the same subjects and simply require the same explanation; typing these out time and again, dozens of times each day is simply impractical and a waste of time.

HOWEVER, even when a standard reply is used a GM should ALWAYS make sure that it does, actually, answer the question and is relevant to your case. This often means that part of a reply is a standard reply, but it should have added information that explains more about the details pertaining to your case. If this is not the case, please feel encouraged to ask for more details. Do note that we can never quote our logs directly (that is considered a security risk to our servers) and that we may not be able to "provide hard proof" due to this.

Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master

J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-06-01 12:34:58 UTC
To which customer support are you sending these petitions to? All my petitions have been answered within hours (not days) and have been useful and informative.
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Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#17 - 2012-06-01 12:37:38 UTC
I find being respectful to them in the first place is a good idea as well. Customer service is a miserable job as is.

All of my petitions have taken a week or more to receive responses. Each of them had perfectly good reasons for that and I didn't think twice about it.

Member of CSM9 and CSM10.

Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#18 - 2012-06-01 12:40:35 UTC
One more post from me.

First level customer service reps are ALWAYS on your side, and will do everything they can get away with to help the customer... Unless the customer is rude, demanding, or otherwise hard to work with, at which point we do everything in our power to make sure your life is just as frustrating and miserable as you make ours. As a general rule, most of us hate the policies that don't let us hook you up, but you know, its our job to say no when you don't deserve something.

In short, you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

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Gul'gotha Derv'ash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-06-01 12:41:20 UTC
Actually they do go through the petitions and work on them. I had one where I had an NPC argo timer, warped to a moon and logged off, got probed and pointed in the 2 minutes, but auto logged out after the argo timer. After that I logged back in and out again in 14 seconds, was tagged with a 15 min PvP argo timer from being pointed (which is ******** that I would get tagged with a timer when I didn't agress or wasn't even online), and then someone came around and popped me during the 15 minutes while I was logged out, but my ship was still logged in during the 15 min agro timer.

The GM game me time stamps and the names of the people who had initiated everything on me and responded a good 4-5 times to my questions since I was dumbfounded by how absolutely stupid the current system works.


What you have to keep in mind is that there are 400,000+ active subscriptions to this game. A LOT of people put petitions in, a lot of people put petitions in for some pretty moronic things. They have a standard message that they respond with to save them time when dealing with the idiots.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#20 - 2012-06-01 12:47:56 UTC
I'd like to link a cracked article here on Customer Service. As someone who has worked in a call-in call center (for AT&T Mobile, no less), I can verify that all of these things are true.
Oh, also it's NSFW because of bad words :ohno:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-idiotic-misconceptions-about-calling-customer-service/

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