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Issues thread for the new font on SiSi

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Tetractys
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#141 - 2011-10-05 07:21:50 UTC
Great work!


NB: New font is perfect under linux with wine 1.3.29 self compiled (any resolution!)
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#142 - 2011-10-05 10:27:16 UTC
Yung Trim wrote:
Text changes on POS modules when you are on-lining a module at 1 minute remaining and lower.

Proof



Awesome, thank you :) I will take a look into this today!

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#143 - 2011-10-05 10:27:57 UTC
Tetractys wrote:
Great work!


NB: New font is perfect under linux with wine 1.3.29 self compiled (any resolution!)


woo! Good to hear :) Thanks!

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captain curry
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#144 - 2011-10-05 10:45:14 UTC  |  Edited by: captain curry
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/20111004023220.jpg/

Someone forgot to add the rounding code, its a minor issue but as seen here it spills over into other boxes. its also seen on displays on the interface if you have some odd buffer (Trimarks on armour, extenders on shields etc).

Having .61068427259 of a hitpoint displaying is needless imo, as seen here: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/20111005104559.jpg/ (Also the text readout is broken, as seen here its actually set to absolute readout. Might not be a font issue exclusively however)

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#145 - 2011-10-05 11:37:32 UTC
captain curry wrote:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/20111004023220.jpg/

Someone forgot to add the rounding code, its a minor issue but as seen here it spills over into other boxes. its also seen on displays on the interface if you have some odd buffer (Trimarks on armour, extenders on shields etc).

Having .61068427259 of a hitpoint displaying is needless imo, as seen here: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/20111005104559.jpg/ (Also the text readout is broken, as seen here its actually set to absolute readout. Might not be a font issue exclusively however)


This has been fixed Big smile

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#146 - 2011-10-05 13:51:11 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
I found the official thread \o/

I agree that in some places it is a little too large - overview tables and the selected item panel can use a slight tweak smaller in size - 10% or so. It will save a lot of space overall for UI - I know a lot of pilots already are snug on UI space on smaller screens.

I'm sure some people will want it larger, I think that falls down on CCP working on implementing that into their code for customization. I think the gentleman a few posts above me made a thorough description of where things are clearly issues through images.


I also agree that on some of the tables it is challenging to absorb the information on a quick scan - specifically on larger tables of information. I'm trying to identify why exactly, and I feel it has to do with the negative space. Here's my theory - I think the font's negative space doesn't scale up so well for reading large amounts of table information, when you hit near what I would say is around the 12pt mark, which seems to be used in some important places, like the overview and the selected items. The negative space isn't an issue at smaller sizes, such as in the inventory or in the info panels - but as you get larger, the thinness of the font doesn't work out so well towards providing readability in the flow through the negative space to absorb the information smoothly in areas where a lot of data needs to be processed quickly.


Overview has to be readable in under 1/10th of a second. Seriously.

As a PVP Pilot, I have a lot of information to look at in under 10 seconds - check distance, check hp, check shields, check module cycles, check enemy health, check ally health, give 4 different orders to 10 different people, check local scanner for any incoming reinforcements, check local for population spike for ambush, do manual maneuvering to maintain range, listen to friendly comms about their status.

In the amount of time it takes one rep cycle to go off, I have to do all that - so reading the Overview doesn't mean bigger is better. On the overview I probably have about 10 columns up - Tag, Icon, Name, Type, Distance, Velocity, Radial Velocity, Corp, Alliance, Militia - and I need them to fit in a readable space. I think dropping 1 or 2 points on Overview and Market tables will improve readability even for those who prefer larger fonts. I think this applies to the markets, although the justification for 1/10th second reading time might not apply there. :)


P.S. Can we maybe get a screenshot of the overview and a variety of objects on it with the current font size and maybe a 1 pt smaller font size to compare? Showing at least most of these columns as well? Tag, Icon, Name, Type, Distance, Velocity, Radial Velocity, Corp, Alliance, Militia


you know what we did?
we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big

it'll only be added for the overview though

and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi P

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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#147 - 2011-10-05 13:53:30 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:


you know what we did?
we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big

it'll only be added for the overview though

and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi P



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#148 - 2011-10-05 13:59:05 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:


you know what we did?
we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big

it'll only be added for the overview though

and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi P



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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#149 - 2011-10-05 14:03:44 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
you know what we did?
we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big

it'll only be added for the overview though

and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi P

That is one big improvement and very positive news.
Thank you.

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#150 - 2011-10-05 15:10:31 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:


you know what we did?
we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big

it'll only be added for the overview though

and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi P



Will you marry me?


haha! the nicest thing said to me on the forums yet Blink



Excellent idea idea for a "small font button".
Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#151 - 2011-10-05 16:50:32 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
you know what we did?
we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big

it'll only be added for the overview though

and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi P


Half way there. Add it to ship names in hanger, add it to the chat windows, add it to the drone window, etc etc. You went this far, just go a litle bit further now. Don't be scared, remember you are fearless.
BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#152 - 2011-10-05 17:19:52 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:


you know what we did?
we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big

it'll only be added for the overview though

and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi P


\o/

I think that'll go a long way towards the "font is too big" comment I made pages ago, as that's one of the places I remember noticing it. It seems you guys are really trying to take player opinions into account, it may not be perfect, but I like that. Thanks
Djakku
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2011-10-05 18:06:33 UTC
Please keep the old font as an option, please!
Aidan Patrick
Aldebaran Foundation
#154 - 2011-10-05 18:35:29 UTC
Tiran'Sol wrote:
Thank you for fixing the 0/O issue.


Yes, thank you... but now Q/O is a problem with the new font in uppercase. While the new font grows on you slowly... I dislike it because it looks very unrefined. It also looks extremely out of place in areas like the (WARPING) on the velocity bar.

It wont let me have an empty signature...

Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#155 - 2011-10-05 18:50:27 UTC
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
you know what we did?
we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big

it'll only be added for the overview though

and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi P


Half way there. Add it to ship names in hanger, add it to the chat windows, add it to the drone window, etc etc. You went this far, just go a litle bit further now. Don't be scared, remember you are fearless.


Size wise really the most meaningful windows are only "overview, chats, drones, scanner (not survey scanner), fleet and watch list".
Size of any other window isn't really an issue what comes to space flight.

If people could use choose to use small font in all 6 of these, the "problem" with size would be pretty much sorted and dealt with.

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#156 - 2011-10-05 21:00:29 UTC
From the font screenshot i found that h and n looked almost identical, its like the line that extends form the h is just a pixel (or two) too short.

I am serious!

Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2011-10-05 21:12:29 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
you know what we did?
we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big

it'll only be added for the overview though

and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi P


Half way there. Add it to ship names in hanger, add it to the chat windows, add it to the drone window, etc etc. You went this far, just go a litle bit further now. Don't be scared, remember you are fearless.


Size wise really the most meaningful windows are only "overview, chats, drones, scanner (not survey scanner), fleet and watch list".
Size of any other window isn't really an issue what comes to space flight.

If people could use choose to use small font in all 6 of these, the "problem" with size would be pretty much sorted and dealt with.



What is crazy is that right now, you can pick whatever size font you want in the chat window, and I personally use the smallest, but what we are hearing is that going forward we will only have one size font in the chat window. Insane.
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#158 - 2011-10-05 21:38:28 UTC
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
you know what we did?
we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big

it'll only be added for the overview though

and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi P


Half way there. Add it to ship names in hanger, add it to the chat windows, add it to the drone window, etc etc. You went this far, just go a litle bit further now. Don't be scared, remember you are fearless.


Size wise really the most meaningful windows are only "overview, chats, drones, scanner (not survey scanner), fleet and watch list".
Size of any other window isn't really an issue what comes to space flight.

If people could use choose to use small font in all 6 of these, the "problem" with size would be pretty much sorted and dealt with.



What is crazy is that right now, you can pick whatever size font you want in the chat window, and I personally use the smallest, but what we are hearing is that going forward we will only have one size font in the chat window. Insane.


uhm I don't know where you heard that but the fontsize functionality in the chat will just stay as it is.. no need to be spreading rumors here What?

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#159 - 2011-10-05 21:38:55 UTC
Aidan Patrick wrote:
Tiran'Sol wrote:
Thank you for fixing the 0/O issue.


Yes, thank you... but now Q/O is a problem with the new font in uppercase. While the new font grows on you slowly... I dislike it because it looks very unrefined. It also looks extremely out of place in areas like the (WARPING) on the velocity bar.


Both these issues have been fixed internally Big smile

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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#160 - 2011-10-05 23:04:34 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Rhaegor Stormborn wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
you know what we did?
we added a "Use small font" option to your overview settings (appearance tab) for you guys who think the overview is now too big

it'll only be added for the overview though

and no I won't give you screenshots because then more people are going to make fun of me for having crappy setup and "OMG YOU DON'T PLAY EVE" (on my local) - you'll just have to wait until it hits SiSi P


Half way there. Add it to ship names in hanger, add it to the chat windows, add it to the drone window, etc etc. You went this far, just go a litle bit further now. Don't be scared, remember you are fearless.


Size wise really the most meaningful windows are only "overview, chats, drones, scanner (not survey scanner), fleet and watch list".
Size of any other window isn't really an issue what comes to space flight.

If people could use choose to use small font in all 6 of these, the "problem" with size would be pretty much sorted and dealt with.



What is crazy is that right now, you can pick whatever size font you want in the chat window, and I personally use the smallest, but what we are hearing is that going forward we will only have one size font in the chat window. Insane.


uhm I don't know where you heard that but the fontsize functionality in the chat will just stay as it is.. no need to be spreading rumors here What?


Did not mean to. That is good news assuming me can make it as small as it is now. Last thing we need are our chat windows taking up more of the screen.