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Tarn Kugisa

Kugisa Dynamics

Likes received: 558

#41 - 2012-05-31 04:21:28 UTC | Edited by: Tarn Kugisa

ReptilesBlade wrote:

Tarn Kugisa wrote:

Normally I roll with:

Similar mining yield, good tank, also has OK DPS.

I use this for nullsec because of target jammer:

[Scorpion, Miner Sting]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Signal Amplifier II
Damage Control II

Survey Scanner II
ECM - Multispectral Jammer II
ECM - Multispectral Jammer II
ECM Burst II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Booster II

Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I

Hammerhead I x5
Mining Drone I x5

Seriously. You just gave me a reason to love my old scorpion again and maybe never fear gankers again! Hell even lowsec mining sounds good again.

Ye Gods thank you!

Just lock up anything that comes in and be prepared to GTFO ASAP if they shoot you (Players, not NPC's of course).
Hope for the jammers to momentarily kill their Scram

I just love how the Scorpion looks. Makes me want to get a Widow and play this song when I'm OMGWTFPWN'ing people in low.

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt

Carebears with Attitude 553
Salpad Carebears with Attitude Likes received: 553	#42 - 2012-05-31 15:21:00 UTC Tor Gungnir wrote: I'm the only one seeing the obvious insanity in Bargers and Exhumers being pushed out of the mining game by Battleships, all due to a bunch of dickwad players? Welcome to the sandbox?


Salpad Carebears with Attitude Likes received: 553	#43 - 2012-05-31 15:28:22 UTC Note that I'm not saying the balance between griefers and carebears isn't broken.

Daniel Plain

Doomheim

Likes received: 2,211

#44 - 2012-05-31 15:33:02 UTC

Salpad wrote:

Tor Gungnir wrote:

I'm the only one seeing the obvious insanity in Bargers and Exhumers being pushed out of the mining game by Battleships, all due to a bunch of dickwad players?

Welcome to the sandbox?

i like how people parrot the sandbox slogan then turn around and ***** about faction warfare, drone loot, incursion payouts, useless ship hulls, op tengu, goon dominance.....

I should buy an Ishtar.

Riven Aleem

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

Likes received: 11

#45 - 2012-06-01 09:32:31 UTC

Salpad wrote:

Tor Gungnir wrote:

I'm the only one seeing the obvious insanity in Bargers and Exhumers being pushed out of the mining game by Battleships, all due to a bunch of dickwad players?

Welcome to the sandbox?

A Sandbox is determined by the fact that they provide us with the tools to play with, and we play with them how we chose. If you are provided a bucket, rake and a watering hose, which do you use to build your sandcastle?

If we had a Noctisageddon, would that mean that a Marauder is now the best ship to use for salvaging? Because a kid has ordered open season on buckets, does that mean rakes are the best item for building sandcastles?

The problem here is that the parent is not watching (or doesn't care) what is going on in the sandbox, and is not calling out the child that runs around standing on all the buckets. So it's not unreasonable to request that CCP intercede on the laughable ability of people to use an inexpensive ship to destroy an exhumer in Hi-Sec space.

The wardec system is there to enable conflict in Hi-Sec, everything else is griefers or opportunists who have found away around the limitations to make profit off the perceived safety of Hi-Sec.

Jajas Helper

Likes received: 152

#46 - 2012-06-01 12:41:00 UTC

Tor Gungnir wrote:

Riven Aleem wrote:

The simplest solution is to increase Hulk shield to fit with it's description. Or create a true invulnerability module, where activation gives 10 seconds of absolute invulnerability, but it has a 30 minute CD. Enough to survive the Alpha strike and allow Concord to do their work, while you go hide in station for it to recharge.

The ragetears of a thousand "PvPers" would flood and drown the world of EVE would that ever happen. It would force them to look for enemies that actually can respond in kind to their hostility.

.... I like it.

Lolled because of : Enough to survive the Alpha strike and allow Concord to do their work
option 1:So ganker arrives on grid- he shoots you -> you died
option 2: you pop that mod - ganker waits 10 sec and you die after the cycle time

great thinking capt'n

Inferno do _stuff _with _stuff _to imitate the _stuff _you could do faster with the old stuff

-stuff-

Riven Aleem

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

Likes received: 11

#47 - 2012-06-01 13:00:39 UTC

Jajas Helper wrote:

Okay, so I've never been the target of a suicide ganker, but are we saying that a destroyer can one-shot a Hulk? That it only takes one, single, volley to destroy the biggest, toughest mining vessel that ORE could come up with? And we honestly don't see a problem with this?

I'm fine with an immunity mod being something that you trigger when you see missiles have been fired and are in flight to you, or between 2 volleys of projectile fire, ie. you are required to be at your keyboard to respond in time to the threat (you get locked on, you wait for agression & you hit it to provide invulnerability while you wait for Concord to arrive).

But if you are saying that a sub 10mil ship can in one exchange of fire destroy an Exhumer, then we have a much bigger problem. One that can only be solved by nerfing the damage of the ganker ship, or buffing the defense of Exhumers.

Breezly Brewin

Vril Metaphysics Society

Likes received: 34

#48 - 2012-06-01 15:09:23 UTC

BS mining is too much click and drag for the average miner i think. Just got to either find a really quiet dead end system or mission belt mine. i really don't think BS mining has mainstream appeal because most semi-afk mine, whether they admit it or not.... if ganking got really out of hand i'd just use covetors.

I do see a possible all out boycott of hulks to end a certain notorious corps technetium pyramid scheme involving 10m/hulk payouts as being feasible at some point.

warzonetemp

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 9

#49 - 2012-06-01 16:36:24 UTC

Breezly Brewin wrote:

As an extension to your point, why doesnt ccp ever throw moon goo and minerals into the open market to collapse the prices?

Sames reason why tech goo price can be manipulated, eve is not a game that throws stuff at you, you have to make, earn, or cheat to get it. If eve developers wanted to they could at any time drop trite and moon goo to 0.01 isk, but that'd kill eve.

Even if you fly a rokh, there are no guarantees against rokhageddon, harder to do of course, but concentrated fire of a fleet of blaster or ac fit gankers could do it. Lol

University of Caille Gallente Federation 42
Nevryn Takis University of Caille Gallente Federation Likes received: 42	#50 - 2012-06-01 18:40:19 UTC An ex corp ceo friend of mine always swore by 2 large EM smartbomb launchers in the highs when fitting a Rokh for mining

M'nu

Vard School of Cryo Cuisine

Likes received: 8

#51 - 2012-06-02 12:55:29 UTC

warzonetemp wrote:

I don't know if that makes a difference, how many people actually check the turrets of the ships before they attack it?

It's not common practice, so it's not really something old eve players ever think about.

I do it all the time. I cant fit half the guns, and i paid for their development, I'm going to looks. Helps to see if that dessies is arty or ac fit too.

EVE Roy Mustang

Doomheim

Likes received: 33

#52 - 2012-06-02 16:27:46 UTC

Jho Ren wrote:

What with the goons trying to profit from making Hulkageddon permanent, it might make sense for more casual and solo miners to switch to BS mining instead of the expensive Exhumers with relatively low EHP.

Something like the 8-miner Rokh, with 2 groups of 4 lasers with alternating cycles to avoid the cargohold from filling up before it can be jetcanned. The obvious downside is players can't really go afk at all and not have the cargohold fill up.

[Rokh, BS Miner - 134k EHP, 971 Ore Yield, Cap Stable @ 45%]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I

Hammerhead II x5

Can go with 2x Large Cargohold Optimization instead of the Field Extenders for around 105k EHP and 827m3 of course, but I dunno if the extra cargohold is needed when timing the cycling of the miners right.

Funnily enough, Rokh are 227 mil where I am making it not that much less expensive than mining in a hulk used to be. I perfer a Covetor

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