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Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#241 - 2012-06-01 06:13:16 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:


No, that would be if you had no local channel to watch for possible unfriendlies, no overview or brackets to see anyone else in your belt, no align button, no shield hardener mods, no friends that could fly logistics or mine with you, no damage control mod, and so on and so forth.


I'm sorry, what exactly are you saying here and is it supposed to be relevant somehow?

Or can you clarify what you are trying to say?
Scion Wrath
Miners-R-Us
#242 - 2012-06-01 06:14:07 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
Tippia wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Lol, good luck with that. Let us know when you run out of money Lol
As a rough (and conservative) estimate, I'd say that for every 100M they have to pay out, they earn 600M.
Not to be dense, but how, exactly, are they earning money paying non alliance members??

Probably another exploit or funded by CCPSwarm.....
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#243 - 2012-06-01 06:25:23 UTC
Spikeflach wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:


No, that would be if you had no local channel to watch for possible unfriendlies, no overview or brackets to see anyone else in your belt, no align button, no shield hardener mods, no friends that could fly logistics or mine with you, no damage control mod, and so on and so forth.


I'm sorry, what exactly are you saying here and is it supposed to be relevant somehow?

Or can you clarify what you are trying to say?


I edited my post for the thickheaded (you)

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Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#244 - 2012-06-01 06:38:20 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:

I edited my post for the thickheaded (you)


I dont know, seems like if eve was represented by the board, and spaceships were represented by the pieces, it is a good analogy.

Though i could use multiplayer game analogies like monopoly or poker or old maid if you need me to indicate that there are other people in eve...
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#245 - 2012-06-01 06:55:50 UTC
Here's the thing though. We don't need money and we don't need silly gimmicks to make money. Fun fact: The CFC is holding a cooking competition where the prize pool is 45 billion isk. That's right, 45b just for cooking an awesome meal. We pay our pilots to lose ships not only in fleet, but not in fleet goofing off in overpriced pimp ships. Like that? Yeah, it's pretty darn cool. I just burned a stack of isk just cause, just now.

You think we need silly gimmicks to raise the price of tech? That's effort. The market does all the work for us and we just throw money around like it's happy sillytime. That's also the reason we pay for hulkageddon, it's just fun to do and it's hilarious to watch how people react when we do it. What's even better is watching others get in on the fun and learn how awesome it is to do and how much rage is generated.

So there you go. You don't need to spin wackjob conspiracy theories to nail down why this is happening, just go to the most simple one. It's fun and really doesn't break the bank to support so it's a no brainer to encourage it to continue.
ChaeDoc II
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#246 - 2012-06-01 06:56:58 UTC
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
100mil for every 10 ganks, and you make what 30 billion on the resupply of hulks

Hulkageddon ... The most successful scam in Eve



Kinda like saying that someone that buys a thing and then sells the thing for higher than they bought it, all the time marketing their company as "trying to give the buyer best savings possible", is also a scam.

And even if it was a scam it wouldn't come close to being the most successful.

Also... skill yourself.
Le Dei Opus
Doomheim
#247 - 2012-06-01 07:26:05 UTC
I guess my mining accounts will remain inactive...forever. Mining isn't exactly thrilling but I can't come back between BBC television commercials and transport me ore back anymore, it's just too risky, and I'm certainly not going to stay there at my computer for several ore cycles to complete spamming D scan.

So, yes, my mining accounts will never be reopened. Mining isn't exciting work and it doesn't pay as well as you think either, so now that it's RISKIER to mine I'll have to go back to Wormholes in my tengu and...MAKE MORE MONEY! I mean damn, if I'm going to be forced to spam D scan, I may as well be in a wormhole making more ISK per hour than I would be with 3 barges mining.
Drakken Khan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#248 - 2012-06-01 07:32:51 UTC
Just Alter wrote:
Drakken Khan wrote:


Translation: WE ARE MAKING SO MUCH FREAKING ISK TOGETHER WITH YOU GUYS , WE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP!!!!



The silliest people in this thread are the ones who try to point out the "scam".

Before this new exciting player driven content people ganked at their loss.

Now they can make money doing what they want; and not peanuts either cosidering the costs of the gank ships and modules dropped.



Where did I ever use the word scam? I was just calling a spade, a spade. Not hiding it behind flowery speech like he did. I am sure he did it on purpose to try to get "moar tears" from the public, but in no way did I say they were running a scam. They are taking advantage of the game mechanics in a very lucrative fasion.

But you also had it wrong in another way. The sillies people in these threads are the ones that can't comprehend what they read.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#249 - 2012-06-01 07:38:50 UTC
Frederick Sanger wrote:
Ker Rednif wrote:

The ganker is allowed to gank solo with little risk and very little cost. However, the miner (especially a Hulk pilot) cannot reasonably expect to mine solo in high sec without being ganked. To say the Hulk pilot must mine in a team means forcing a requirement on the miner that the ganker doesn't have. Therein is the imbalance, which makes EVE just another game focused on offering PVP, and everything else just exist to fulfill that philosophy.

Your entire argument is based on the fallacy that a Hulk pilot cannot mine without being ganked. A solo Hulk pilot can take minimal precautions such as proper fitting, keeping aligned, and maintaining situational awareness to defend against a solo ganker. Those are all reasonable precautions. None of which for the solo pilot to interact with other humans in a massively multiplayer online role playing game (heavens forbid).


When are you going to tell them that it is still profitable to have multiple ganking ships per Hulk? As in one cloaked so they can get a warp in, a neutral bumping alt and even 3+ T1 fit battlecruisers (tornados) all setup to kill that one Hulk?

Also does any of the gankers actually check to see if they are afk? See if they have recently interacted with the other players? You know any of those things you automatically assume because they are in a Hulk and in high sec?

Or do you just assume it all and fire anyways? Just wondering.
Le Dei Opus
Doomheim
#250 - 2012-06-01 08:13:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Le Dei Opus
Marlona Sky wrote:
Frederick Sanger wrote:
Ker Rednif wrote:

The ganker is allowed to gank solo with little risk and very little cost. However, the miner (especially a Hulk pilot) cannot reasonably expect to mine solo in high sec without being ganked. To say the Hulk pilot must mine in a team means forcing a requirement on the miner that the ganker doesn't have. Therein is the imbalance, which makes EVE just another game focused on offering PVP, and everything else just exist to fulfill that philosophy.

Your entire argument is based on the fallacy that a Hulk pilot cannot mine without being ganked. A solo Hulk pilot can take minimal precautions such as proper fitting, keeping aligned, and maintaining situational awareness to defend against a solo ganker. Those are all reasonable precautions. None of which for the solo pilot to interact with other humans in a massively multiplayer online role playing game (heavens forbid).


When are you going to tell them that it is still profitable to have multiple ganking ships per Hulk? As in one cloaked so they can get a warp in, a neutral bumping alt and even 3+ T1 fit battlecruisers (tornados) all setup to kill that one Hulk?

Also does any of the gankers actually check to see if they are afk? See if they have recently interacted with the other players? You know any of those things you automatically assume because they are in a Hulk and in high sec?

Or do you just assume it all and fire anyways? Just wondering.


Read my post above you. It answers the questions. I don't bot, but I only come back every 10-13 minutes while mining during TV commercial breaks to haul my ore back, fit in perfect with a medium tanked Hulk's cargohold. There is no one that mines in high sec (or started mining in high-sec) with the expectation of having to watch D-scan all day for a relatively crappy hourly profit (you must subtract PLEX that I buy with my mining hulks to fund their accounts from my hourly profits). So, I as a miner, will testify, that no serious miners mine at the keyboard. You would HAVE TO BE MENTALLY ILL TO STARE AT PIXEL ASTEROIDS FOR TWO HOURS A DAY.

The result is that I'm going to go wormholing in my tengu on one account and close my others. So there will be wealth generation from nothing (the wormholes don't produce materials, they produce wealth) and A LOT LESS minerals on the market. The result (assuming many mining accounts are doing or are going to do what I've done) will be massive inflation, as well as a massive $$$ loss for CCP for each person that deactivates their mining account(s).

Also, don't have to dump ISK on PLEX to fund alt accounts if I no longer have alt accounts. That makes the Wormholes THAT MUCH MORE profitable. Now, given the risks of going into a WH with a Tengu, it should produce a better profit margin, but these days it's more risky to mine a 35kehp Hulk who gimps his mining output and cargohold to fit that tank that will eventually fail during my TV program.
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#251 - 2012-06-01 11:37:41 UTC
Scion Wrath wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
Tippia wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Lol, good luck with that. Let us know when you run out of money Lol
As a rough (and conservative) estimate, I'd say that for every 100M they have to pay out, they earn 600M.
Not to be dense, but how, exactly, are they earning money paying non alliance members??

Probably another exploit or funded by CCPSwarm.....


or a lot of them knew the exact date of hulkagedon and were quietly buying up minerals before hand.... oh look what trits upto already :)
lavinia corelia
New Rome corp.
#252 - 2012-06-01 11:55:00 UTC  |  Edited by: lavinia corelia
masternerdguy wrote:
Mittani has done it again.

Goons sure know how to make a game fun!


maybe, for sure they know how to make technetium worth
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#253 - 2012-06-01 11:55:34 UTC
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Frederick Sanger wrote:
Ker Rednif wrote:

The ganker is allowed to gank solo with little risk and very little cost. However, the miner (especially a Hulk pilot) cannot reasonably expect to mine solo in high sec without being ganked. To say the Hulk pilot must mine in a team means forcing a requirement on the miner that the ganker doesn't have. Therein is the imbalance, which makes EVE just another game focused on offering PVP, and everything else just exist to fulfill that philosophy.

Your entire argument is based on the fallacy that a Hulk pilot cannot mine without being ganked. A solo Hulk pilot can take minimal precautions such as proper fitting, keeping aligned, and maintaining situational awareness to defend against a solo ganker. Those are all reasonable precautions. None of which for the solo pilot to interact with other humans in a massively multiplayer online role playing game (heavens forbid).


When are you going to tell them that it is still profitable to have multiple ganking ships per Hulk? As in one cloaked so they can get a warp in, a neutral bumping alt and even 3+ T1 fit battlecruisers (tornados) all setup to kill that one Hulk?

Also does any of the gankers actually check to see if they are afk? See if they have recently interacted with the other players? You know any of those things you automatically assume because they are in a Hulk and in high sec?

Or do you just assume it all and fire anyways? Just wondering.


Read my post above you. It answers the questions. I don't bot, but I only come back every 10-13 minutes while mining during TV commercial breaks to haul my ore back, fit in perfect with a medium tanked Hulk's cargohold. There is no one that mines in high sec (or started mining in high-sec) with the expectation of having to watch D-scan all day for a relatively crappy hourly profit (you must subtract PLEX that I buy with my mining hulks to fund their accounts from my hourly profits). So, I as a miner, will testify, that no serious miners mine at the keyboard. You would HAVE TO BE MENTALLY ILL TO STARE AT PIXEL ASTEROIDS FOR TWO HOURS A DAY.

The result is that I'm going to go wormholing in my tengu on one account and close my others. So there will be wealth generation from nothing (the wormholes don't produce materials, they produce wealth) and A LOT LESS minerals on the market. The result (assuming many mining accounts are doing or are going to do what I've done) will be massive inflation, as well as a massive $$$ loss for CCP for each person that deactivates their mining account(s).

Also, don't have to dump ISK on PLEX to fund alt accounts if I no longer have alt accounts. That makes the Wormholes THAT MUCH MORE profitable. Now, given the risks of going into a WH with a Tengu, it should produce a better profit margin, but these days it's more risky to mine a 35kehp Hulk who gimps his mining output and cargohold to fit that tank that will eventually fail during my TV program.

Hulkageddon as been successful once more in making a highsec miner find something worthwhile to do!

Oh, and no, no one should have to subtract the price of your plex. Most nullsec pilots don't make enough to plex 3-4 accounts, even with the fact that we allegedly make more than anyone but possibly WH guys. Why should someone who sits in effortless safety that they did not work for be able to?

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#254 - 2012-06-01 12:03:00 UTC
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Frederick Sanger wrote:
Ker Rednif wrote:

The ganker is allowed to gank solo with little risk and very little cost. However, the miner (especially a Hulk pilot) cannot reasonably expect to mine solo in high sec without being ganked. To say the Hulk pilot must mine in a team means forcing a requirement on the miner that the ganker doesn't have. Therein is the imbalance, which makes EVE just another game focused on offering PVP, and everything else just exist to fulfill that philosophy.

Your entire argument is based on the fallacy that a Hulk pilot cannot mine without being ganked. A solo Hulk pilot can take minimal precautions such as proper fitting, keeping aligned, and maintaining situational awareness to defend against a solo ganker. Those are all reasonable precautions. None of which for the solo pilot to interact with other humans in a massively multiplayer online role playing game (heavens forbid).


When are you going to tell them that it is still profitable to have multiple ganking ships per Hulk? As in one cloaked so they can get a warp in, a neutral bumping alt and even 3+ T1 fit battlecruisers (tornados) all setup to kill that one Hulk?

Also does any of the gankers actually check to see if they are afk? See if they have recently interacted with the other players? You know any of those things you automatically assume because they are in a Hulk and in high sec?

Or do you just assume it all and fire anyways? Just wondering.


Read my post above you. It answers the questions. I don't bot, but I only come back every 10-13 minutes while mining during TV commercial breaks to haul my ore back, fit in perfect with a medium tanked Hulk's cargohold. There is no one that mines in high sec (or started mining in high-sec) with the expectation of having to watch D-scan all day for a relatively crappy hourly profit (you must subtract PLEX that I buy with my mining hulks to fund their accounts from my hourly profits). So, I as a miner, will testify, that no serious miners mine at the keyboard. You would HAVE TO BE MENTALLY ILL TO STARE AT PIXEL ASTEROIDS FOR TWO HOURS A DAY.

The result is that I'm going to go wormholing in my tengu on one account and close my others. So there will be wealth generation from nothing (the wormholes don't produce materials, they produce wealth) and A LOT LESS minerals on the market. The result (assuming many mining accounts are doing or are going to do what I've done) will be massive inflation, as well as a massive $$$ loss for CCP for each person that deactivates their mining account(s).

Also, don't have to dump ISK on PLEX to fund alt accounts if I no longer have alt accounts. That makes the Wormholes THAT MUCH MORE profitable. Now, given the risks of going into a WH with a Tengu, it should produce a better profit margin, but these days it's more risky to mine a 35kehp Hulk who gimps his mining output and cargohold to fit that tank that will eventually fail during my TV program.


I love your mentality.


ALL THESE GANKERS ARE INTERRUPTING AMERICAN IDOL DAG NABBIT.

TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages
HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#255 - 2012-06-01 17:33:31 UTC  |  Edited by: HVAC Repairman
i confirm i stole his lunch money every day as a kid

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Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#256 - 2012-06-01 18:04:28 UTC
If anyone should be worried about anyone in a physical confrontation, you should be worried about the person you plan to attack.

Because no matter how skilled you supposedly think you are, it is very possible you may fail and possibly get your own butt kicked.
Toman Armane
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#257 - 2012-06-01 18:06:51 UTC
Spikeflach wrote:
If anyone should be worried about anyone in a physical confrontation, you should be worried about the person you plan to attack.

Because no matter how skilled you supposedly think you are, it is very possible you may fail and possibly get your own butt kicked.



Who said I plan to attack him? Pretty sure "I'm going to attack the kid" wasn't anywhere in my post. Will be fun to see what happens next year though. And I'm not worried about a thing, thanks for the concern though little one.
Frederick Sanger
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#258 - 2012-06-01 18:38:50 UTC
Ker Rednif wrote:

Your response is also micro-management. You missed the point, but thanks for replying. Blink

Can you clarify what you think micro-management is for me? That would be great, thanks.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#259 - 2012-06-01 18:47:40 UTC
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Read my post above you. It answers the questions. I don't bot, but I only come back every 10-13 minutes while mining during TV commercial breaks to haul my ore back.


That's exactly what is wrong about highsec mining. If people are still able to do that, ganking hasn't gone far enough.

You might not technically be using a third party program, but come on - this is as close to botting as a person can get without actually using a bot. You are not playing a game at that point, you are not putting any effort into the game and you shouldn't be allowed to reap any profit from it. Stop complaining.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Toman Armane
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#260 - 2012-06-01 19:07:28 UTC
Beckie DeLey wrote:
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Read my post above you. It answers the questions. I don't bot, but I only come back every 10-13 minutes while mining during TV commercial breaks to haul my ore back.


That's exactly what is wrong about highsec mining. If people are still able to do that, ganking hasn't gone far enough.

You might not technically be using a third party program, but come on - this is as close to botting as a person can get without actually using a bot. You are not playing a game at that point, you are not putting any effort into the game and you shouldn't be allowed to reap any profit from it. Stop complaining.


Clicking on a roid and starting your mining laser takes effort, regardless of how little. Just because you choose to use your game time with other avenues and effort, doesn't mean what they do is wrong. It;s just not your way. That's what is cool about Eve....