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Elyssa MacLeod
Doomheim
#61 - 2011-10-05 04:06:05 UTC
Basileus Volkan wrote:
Anyone who isn't a sailor or an ex-con? You yourselves immediately associated tattoos with criminals, after all.


Who was going for the idea that ppl with tattoos had to follow stereotypes to start with? Those are the main negative stereotypes I know of, you know others that are more relevant to the conversation?

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Basileus Volkan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2011-10-05 04:18:37 UTC
The sociological definition of stereotype is "A commonly held public belief about specific social groups or types of individuals."
This would open a whole different can of worms though.
Let it be said that stereotypes, as well as clichés, exist for a reason.

The fact remains that you, as the person sporting a tattoo, are breaking societies rules, not the other way around. Any company is well within its right to deny you the job position for being tattooed.

Elyssa MacLeod
Doomheim
#63 - 2011-10-05 04:23:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod
Basileus Volkan wrote:
The sociological definition of stereotype is "A commonly held public belief about specific social groups or types of individuals."
This would open a whole different can of worms though.
Let it be said that stereotypes, as well as clichés, exist for a reason.

The fact remains that you, as the person sporting a tattoo, are breaking societies rules, not the other way around. Any company is well within its right to deny you the job position for being tattooed.



yes.... if youre stupid enough to show them and break company policy regarding them. If you dont do that they actually arent.
Unless youre in a right to work state.
Theres a term here that ppl use its called wrongful termination and it can allow the employee to sue the company over it.
Firing someone for merely having a tattoo (if they dont cover it and abide by the company's rules for having them - if the company doesnt allow then at all why would you be attempting to work there again?) can be regarded as cause for this in certain places.

and again, what society are you using as your yardstick to measure what is unacceptable? The society I see generally isnt shunning me for having tattoos, people largely ignore them.

The company I work for has clearly defined rules for tattoos. If they chose to fire me for having them even though I abide by the rules, though the state I live in is a right to work state, there are these things called unions here that have a tendancy to go up against the company on behalf of the worker. Ive seen it happen several times. Ive even seen terminations reversed (albeit after about a month of the guy being gone) after the union went to bat for him.

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Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2011-10-05 05:56:39 UTC
Headerman wrote:
Dood thats an awesome tattoo! I been thinking of getting the Minmatar logo on the top of my right arm


If you do that, it will be obligatory for both of us to show up to fanfest with tanktops, and get hammered for three days straight.

Basileus Volkan wrote:
Generally speaking, although I admit this might only be true for Europe, casual, fashionable tattoos are sign of the lower classes.

I think you are a bit disconnected from reality my friend. Or possibly Europe is a shithole, but I suspect the former based on all the other people I know from Europe who don't think its the 17th century.

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Basileus Volkan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2011-10-05 06:09:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Basileus Volkan
Anecdotal evidence, truly the greatest of scientific evidences.

Oh and: http://people.umass.edu/aes1/statistics.html
Tivookz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2011-10-05 06:13:07 UTC
Pretty nice.

You're pretty damn ripped, do you work out alot?
Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2011-10-05 06:39:15 UTC
Neka Sloane wrote:
Coming to the EVE forums hoping for praise... really bad idea. You could find the cure for cancer and you'd still be flamed for it.



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Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2011-10-05 06:40:17 UTC
Basileus Volkan wrote:
Anecdotal evidence, truly the greatest of scientific evidences.

Oh and: http://people.umass.edu/aes1/statistics.html


That website hasn't been updated since 2007, and looks like it was created in about 1996 (wayback machine cant tell you when it was first published, only when it first noticed the page).

It openly admits the figures are from 2003 and in America only.

If you add up all the age group percentages, you get 108%

% of respondants age 18-24: 13%
% of respondants age 25-29: 36%
% of respondants age 30-39: 28%
% of respondants age 40-49: 14%
% of respondants age 50-64: 10%
% of respondants age 70+: 7%

and there is a gap between the ages of 65 and 70 that is not represented.

The wording it uses implies that only white people can be adult.

It then proceeds to attempt to link tattoo regret with political affiliation, but only with one of the two major parties.

I genuinely don't know if you are for or against in this discussion mate, but for the love of god, pick your sources more carefully, I'd fail a 6 year old for giving me a set of stats like that.

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Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2011-10-05 06:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir Substance
Basileus Volkan wrote:
Anecdotal evidence, truly the greatest of scientific evidences.

Oh and: http://people.umass.edu/aes1/statistics.html


That website hasn't been updated since 2007, and looks like it was created in about 1996 (wayback machine cant tell you when it was first published, only when it first noticed the page).

edit: linked urls are breaking my posts, heres the wayback url: http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://people.umass.edu/aes1/statistics.html

It openly admits the figures are from 2003 and in America only.

If you add up all the age group percentages, you get 108%

% of respondants age 18-24: 13%
% of respondants age 25-29: 36%
% of respondants age 30-39: 28%
% of respondants age 40-49: 14%
% of respondants age 50-64: 10%
% of respondants age 70+: 7%

and there is a gap between the ages of 65 and 70 that is not represented.

The wording it uses implies that only white people can be adult.

It then proceeds to attempt to link tattoo regret with political affiliation, but only with one of the two major parties.

I genuinely don't know if you are for or against in this discussion mate, but for the love of god, pick your sources more carefully, I'd fail a 6 year old for giving me a set of stats like that.

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Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2011-10-05 06:41:04 UTC
Is anyone else seeing this "parsing BBcode" error?

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#71 - 2011-10-05 07:59:44 UTC
That was not what I expected, good work.

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Sofia Bellard
Doomheim
#72 - 2011-10-05 08:31:25 UTC
Sad.

Poor sad little pirates,  why you so mad?

Trotula
#73 - 2011-10-05 09:34:15 UTC
In January 2008, a survey conducted online by Harris Interactive estimated that 14% of all adults in the United States have a tattoo, just slightly down from 2003, when 16% had a tattoo. The population that is getting tattoos appears to be trending down, at least there is something positive to report.

Researchers have also found that those with tattoos are more likely to suffer from anti-social personality disorder (ASPD). Those that suffer from this diagnosis are characterized by a lack of empathy towards others or their own actions, and are more prone to pathological lying, stealing, drug abuse, cheating, and physical aggression – all markers of the criminal psychopathology. The research also found that those that had tattoos, also were more likely to be victims of sexual abuse, to have abused drugs, or to have attempted suicide at least once in their history.

Dr. William Cardasis of of the Michigan Centre For Forensic Psychiatry, says
Quote:
our findings suggest that forensic psychiatric inpatients with tattoos are significantly more likely to suffer from ASPD than those without tattoos, and patients with ASPD were also significantly more likely to have higher numbers of tattoos, a larger percentage of their body covered with tattoos, and tended to have tattoos in more visible locations.i hope this provides clues for clinicians to look for ASPD in forensic psychiatric patients with tattoos, and also to look for signs of suicide attempt, substance abuse, and sexual abuse.


While the general population in the USA may be a low 14% having a tattoo, a large portion of those with tattoos have a criminal background. Studies of prison populations in the US have found between 70% - 85% of inmates have tattoos. Recent studies in the UK found more than 95% of imprisoned white British criminals are tattooed.

So yes, people have good reason for harshly judging those that have tattoos, and I'll be among those that continue to do so.
Vitticeps
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2011-10-05 09:59:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Vitticeps
Arklan1 wrote:
just droppign a note to say that scar's tat is ******* awesome- actually, they all are... raziel particularly. clearly the tat artist is good. where's he at? wouldn't mind getting some work form him/her.



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Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2011-10-05 10:31:48 UTC
Trotula wrote:
Rabble rabble

Fascinating. Got a link to the actual study, that we might critique it as warrented?

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Nel Gardier
Time Sync
#76 - 2011-10-05 10:34:17 UTC
Vitticeps wrote:
Hi all,
I recently joined the halls of ridiculousness, and got myself an EVE related tattoo.

Just wanted to show it off :)
Vitti. x

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/majin_vegeta107/Photo0901.jpg
Copyright infringement!

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Mistress Motion
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2011-10-05 10:35:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Mistress Motion
Basileus Volkan wrote:
Generally speaking, although I admit this might only be true for Europe, casual, fashionable tattoos are sign of the lower classes.


What? Sometimes I just don't get how people come up with these kind of ideas. It's 2011, people from all 'classes' have tattoos. Though I have to admit I don't really know if this is case in some european _country_, but definitely not the whole europe.

EDIT: To OP: I like the style of that tattoo, and the almost-nude girls ofc fit perfectly with gallente logo. Smile
Elyssa MacLeod
Doomheim
#78 - 2011-10-26 02:38:37 UTC
Trotula wrote:


So yes, people have good reason for harshly judging those that have tattoos, and I'll be among those that continue to do so.


links please?
And yes, its nice to know who the intolerant people here are lol. I wear my art on my body, apparently you wear your intolerance on your sleeve.

GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.

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Doctor Caldari
Ghosts in Shells
#79 - 2011-10-26 02:46:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Caldari
Awesome dude! An obvious born to be suicide ganker!

(No but seriously that is pretty cool. Looks extremely accurate and a good job was done).