EVE General Discussion

If its from FA, for the love of god, please link it so I can mock these people mercilessly.

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This. I know alot of people are recruiting more and more miners in anticipation, getting them used to surviving in nullsec, and preparing to pull our tech with lazors instead of .... I can't even think of anything cool to compare POS towers to.

The interesting thing will be to see what CCP learns from this and how they react to it with regards to future expansions and gameplay changes.

They can either look at it and see how popular Hulkageddon has been this year and how many people have participated in it and decide that murdering idiots in highsec is a compelling focus of player driven content and that they should create content and mechanics that support this behavior. Or alternatively seeing as the fact that CCP want to completely remove PVP from highsec is the elephant in the room they could take it as a sign that the carebears were right and make ganking more difficult.

My guess is the latter, so expect 50k EHP hulks, CONCORD death rays and more severe security status penalties in the winter expansion.

The very moment the nerf hits TQ, Hulkaggen will come to a screeching halt. That is until it is helmed by Helicity once more, you know when it actually had real meaning.

Not to be dense, but how, exactly, are they earning money paying non alliance members??

Hulks are, like, 60% Tech, which OTEC owns 90% of the supply.

Have a handful of guys sitting in destroyers fend off the initial alpha. In fleets, they become the initial defensive shell that must be cracked with frigates. Bigger role for noobs, better reason for teamwork. Mining solo would be asking for it, at that point.[/quote]



Nope not the answer. You're thinking in the direction CCP wants to force you in. It's not a true "sandbox" environment when that happens. Goonswarm is doing an excellent job of exposing poor game philosophy on the part of CCP, even if by happen chance with Hulkageddon. My suggestion is take another run at what is really happening that causes the tension.

The ganker is allowed to gank solo with little risk and very little cost. However, the miner (especially a Hulk pilot) cannot reasonably expect to mine solo in high sec without being ganked. To say the Hulk pilot must mine in a team means forcing a requirement on the miner that the ganker doesn't have. Therein is the imbalance, which makes EVE just another game focused on offering PVP, and everything else just exist to fulfill that philosophy.

Solve the game philosophy problem and you effectively move EVE another step closer to being a "virtual universe." It is not currently that today because although EVE has matured the game's philosophy hasn't In other words EVE's gaming philosophy is still stuck in its infancy, but the elements that CCP created to create PVP targets, i.e., mining, missions, exploration, wormholes, PI, economy and industry, matured to the point where now EVE no longer has to be PVP intensive. In fact to achieve a virtual universe (instead of just an advertised one) all they need to do is change the game philosophy and then tweak the game where it is PVP imbalanced. One element of EVE would no longer be more important than another element.

Don't hold your breath that anything will change. For a business to change its core philosophy surrounding a product is a huge change. GM's, representatives, including the CEO has to trade in their old way of thinking for new ones. It's a top down change that means educating leaders that in turn educate trainers, the trainers then have to roll out the new direction. Afterwards the training is ongoing to ensure the new philosophy has been accepted and adhered to until it takes root and starts to grow in the organization.

It is more reasonable to expect a new individual, group or company to have the idea and run with it before the current/old company can make such a change in time.

(If you're about to respond to this and do it in the context of micro-management then the whole point has been missed.)

It's a fallacy to say that EVE is not solo game play. CCP would like you to believe otherwise but I contend,.. add up your solo play versus your team play and see which is greater. Team play here is defined as actually doing something as a group and not just being in channel together. No MMO would survive if solo play was not incorporated. However, your argument has some validity to it in so much as it puts you inside a contextual environment determined by CCP instead of the sandbox that is advocated.

Your response is also micro-management. You missed the point, but thanks for replying.

Or you could look at it as the people trying to take advantage of what everyone calls the sandbox and convince the space police to step up their game and be watching for signs of people looking to suicide gank.

Or perhaps taking advantage of the sandbox to findamentally upgrade a ship that is vulnerable to a game mechanic that can't really be countered.

Hehe, i just thought of a funny analogy.

PvP is like chess, when a person makes a move, the other person can counter the move. Ganking is like one of the players taking his arm and sweeping the other players pieces off the board saying 'I win'"