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Fearless or Fearful?

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#1 - 2011-10-05 08:23:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
I find it quite disappointing that a new direction was coming to Eve... Incarna, the BIG FUTURE of the Eve experience, now downgraded to a meagre "side game"... NEX for Neural Remaps... now a topic never to be raised... yet it was something that was to be coming... players even want more remaps...

What happened to being Fearless? What happened to the so called "innovation"?

Has the metric that puts World of Darkness at risk been hit?

What happened to "stay the course"?

What do we get in Winter? More of the same..


NEX is boring, all shirts and boots, and eye holes... Big deal... Where is the cool stuff to play with in the NEX store? Eve is about Toys in our sandpit... NEX has no toys.
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-10-05 08:26:58 UTC
Well we will get one thing in winter...

... more tears.

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#3 - 2011-10-05 08:27:52 UTC
Headerman wrote:
Well we will get one thing in winter...

... more tears.


From us or from CCP :)
CCP Xhagen
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2011-10-05 09:20:39 UTC
Miilla wrote:
I find it quite disappointing that a new direction was coming to Eve... Incarna, the BIG FUTURE of the Eve experience, now downgraded to a meagre "side game"... NEX for Neural Remaps... now a topic never to be raised... yet it was something that was to be coming... players even want more remaps...

What happened to being Fearless? What happened to the so called "innovation"?

Has the metric that puts World of Darkness at risk been hit?

What happened to "stay the course"?

What do we get in Winter? More of the same..


NEX is boring, all shirts and boots, and eye holes... Big deal... Where is the cool stuff to play with in the NEX store? Eve is about Toys in our sandpit... NEX has no toys.

I think I'm the last person I expected to be talking about the company values - don't get me wrong, something like that was needed when CCP was growing by 200 people per year, but having two degrees in Philosophy, those types of words always make me cringe.

That being said, being fearless shouldn't mean that one is reckless. Innovation is being done, sometimes it just takes time. I have no idea about putting other projects at risk and staying a course that most, if not all, agree is not the right one should be called reckless.

What we in Iceland get in winter is usually snow... (yeah, I know, bad post). You should "watch some space" to get more information - when, I cannot say as I'm not the one writhing the stuff up.

CCP Xhagen | Associate Producer | @strangelocation

Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#5 - 2011-10-05 09:22:42 UTC
Miilla wrote:
NEX for Neural Remaps... now a topic never to be raised... yet it was something that was to be coming... players even want more remaps...

Some players wanted NEX for more remaps. Real Eve players want anything but, as it violates CCP's stated "no p2w" policy.

                      "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]

Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
#6 - 2011-10-05 09:27:35 UTC
Actually its good that senior management has changed course at least in word. We'll actually see what they do. I don't like the rebalancing it just ensures more rebalancing as there are always unforeseen consequences. Better to create new weapons and defenses just like real military would do.

Truth is whoever rolled out the CQ in its present form made about the biggest marketing blunder you can do. The people that might of come and stayed because of WiS tried it and left, it'll be harder to get them to try it again. They should never have rolled it out until you could interact with others, but they needed to alpha test it for WoD, so they pushed it out thinking all would be well but in the last 2 years much of the love once held for the devs I've seen erode. Changing course might well fix it.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#7 - 2011-10-05 09:30:27 UTC
CCP Xhagen wrote:
You should "watch some space" to get more information - when, I cannot say as I'm not the one writhing the stuff up.


That 'watch this space' thing is getting old really fast.

Katrina Oniseki

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#8 - 2011-10-05 09:48:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
CCP has earned at least some respect back at least from me, for actually somewhat admitting that things aren't going well development wise and plan on making a change. Most companies won't subdue to that type of humility until its too late. However words are just words, they don't mean much in the end. Its what CCP does that counts in the end, and we will see if that happens.

Taking a step back from things like NeX and holding off on going all out on Incarna is good. Since NeX for the most part is useless until the multi player aspect of Incarna is implemented, and Incarna itself seems rushed and needs a lot of fine tuning. Not to mention the multitude of issues that are plagueing the core aspect of the game.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Phekal Matters
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-10-05 09:49:06 UTC
CCP Xhagen wrote:
You should "watch some space" to get more information - when, I cannot say as I'm not the one writhing the stuff up.


KK tell you what. Imma go have a 3 month nap, forget about EVE for a while and do something productive with my life, and you just send me an email when you sort your **** out. Mmmkay? But I'll be f*cked if I'm going to sit around "watching space" waiting for you to pull your **** together.

You just let me know when you're ready.
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#10 - 2011-10-05 10:24:20 UTC
Millia in derivative obvious whine troll thread shocker. Don't watch this space :eyeroll:

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Nel Gardier
Time Sync
#11 - 2011-10-05 10:24:47 UTC
The OP has a point around CCP changing course (regardless of your support for either direction) and how it's a fairly obvious backpedal based on previous statements - actions not words etc.

I think the course currently is largely being driven by stats similar to the all time PCU chart to be blunt.

It's unlikely that CCP ever predicted infinite player growth, however I'm tipping they didn't go and sell a vision of a steady and prolonged drop in player numbers to investors.

Just a basic look at the numbers shows PCU could be in '07 territory by next release if current trends continue.

I would love to see some of the detailed stats CCP must have such as minutes connected per session, number of market orders executed etc. Be more of an indicator of player interest that bored pilots looking at "Door" wondering whether to resub or not.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#12 - 2011-10-05 10:25:01 UTC
Reckless eh?

That means we DID hit that metric that makes WoD an issue :)
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2011-10-05 11:15:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
CCP Xhagen wrote:
You should "watch some space" to get more information - when, I cannot say as I'm not the one writhing the stuff up.


That 'watch this space' thing is getting old really fast.


Hey I said the exact same thing 2 weeks ago!

Edit: When I first try to enter this thread I got a "We got ganked" screen, when I noticed it was a miila thread though I wasn't surprised.

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Zey Nadar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-10-05 11:22:50 UTC
Phekal Matters wrote:


KK tell you what. Imma go have a 3 month nap, forget about EVE for a while and do something productive with my life, and you just send me an email when you sort your **** out. Mmmkay? But I'll be f*cked if I'm going to sit around "watching space" waiting for you to pull your **** together.


And especially pay for it.
Vicar2008
MCMLXXVI
#15 - 2011-10-05 11:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Vicar2008
The Fearless pdf has probably been back burned for risk of a leaked edition, incase us the riot mob get hold off and burn stuff aka Jita objects get restless again. Pirate
Perramas
DreddNaut
#16 - 2011-10-05 11:37:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Perramas
When I watched "this space" this played in my mind.

Ooh ooh

We're no strangers to love
You know the rules and so do I
A full commitment's what I'm thinking of
You wouldn't get this from any other guy
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
Gotta make you understand

Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

We've known each other for so long
Your heart's been aching but
You're too shy to say it
Inside we both know what's been going on
We know the game and we're gonna play it
And if you ask me how I'm feeling
Don't tell me you're too blind to see

Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

(Ooh, give you up)
(Ooh, give you up)
(Ooh)
Never gonna give, never gonna give
(Give you up)
(Ooh)
Never gonna give, never gonna give
(Give you up)

We've know each other for so long
Your heart's been aching but
You're too shy to say it
Inside we both know what's been going on
We know the game and we're gonna play it

I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
Gotta make you understand

Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people- Eleanor Roosevelt

Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-10-05 11:50:36 UTC
I'd like tactical armor, weps and vehicles to be available in the nex store for pletary wars ala halo style. If it ever worked you could have alliances fighting eachother for planet/facility control on the surface.

A combination of =v=, WH40K & Halo all rolled into one... never-gonna-happen. But it would rock.
Vicar2008
MCMLXXVI
#18 - 2011-10-05 11:52:20 UTC
Gealbhan wrote:
I'd like tactical armor, weps and vehicles to be available in the nex store for pletary wars ala halo style. If it ever worked you could have alliances fighting eachother for planet/facility control on the surface.

A combination of =v=, WH40K & Halo all rolled into one... never-gonna-happen. But it would rock.


Wait Dust..................... ok Buy a PS£ and buy Dust514 aka Winner
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#19 - 2011-10-05 11:54:14 UTC
Dust is the new name for Eve :)

The worlds emptiest online game universe.

Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
#20 - 2011-10-05 11:54:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr LaboratoryRat
CCP Xhagen wrote:
I think I'm the last person I expected to be talking about the company values - don't get me wrong, something like that was needed when CCP was growing by 200 people per year, but having two degrees in Philosophy, those types of words always make me cringe.

That being said, being fearless shouldn't mean that one is reckless. Innovation is being done, sometimes it just takes time. I have no idea about putting other projects at risk and staying a course that most, if not all, agree is not the right one should be called reckless.

What we in Iceland get in winter is usually snow... (yeah, I know, bad post). You should "watch some space" to get more information - when, I cannot say as I'm not the one writhing the stuff up.


Basicly u are saying this:

It is not normal to talk about company values as a ccp employee

It should be normal when ccp was growing by 200 ppl a year but somehow u guys forgot your company values

due your philosophy deegree it made u cringe, i can conclude from this that ccp is a strong top down organazation

U say ccp´s current course of action is fearless but not reckless, (pretty reckless to me though)

Innovation is being done and it takes time, nice clothes innovation though im sure it is time well spend

ccp general employee thoughts is that only a course that is wrong and u stick with it is reckless, thus saying the incarna patch is still a good thing despite all player reactions (i bet the top down organazation has something to do with this)

In the winter u get usualy snow so we should all play eve so we can see the new changes (what if we dont like it, guesss we HAVE TOO play the game to see)

So from all said, i can conclude that ccp finds there course fearless and not reckless. Its a organisational mess at ccp because they have grown so fast. (prolly cause small poject mangement only works in small companies, so ccp actualy outgrown themselves). This is also a vision on the upper mangement team way of fuctioning (not well). Too many communication lines, i bet the must have meetings everyday. Elmucho meetings Elnjeta eve play

Should i go for a pshycologie degree?
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