EVE General Discussion

Removing the markets would be impossible, since the game doesn't function without them, and there's no way to limit the amount of profit made. But let's not forget that the reason lowsec markets aren't profitable is because nobody lives there except gank blobs. If you remove everything else profitable from highsec, markets elsewhere become more populated and more profitable (and even more profitable than highsec, since smart players benefit from the idiots losing their haulers in gatecamps).

And I don't really care about the exact ISK/hour, what matters is that a Hulk, the top-end mining ship, can actually be useful in highsec. Hulkageddon is only possible because Hulks are somewhere that they don't belong.

What you're suggesting would completely change the game. Not like markets like Jita are safe to haul in anyways, but the reason people build/sell in highsec is because that's where over 70% of the population lives, according to the last numbers given by CCP.

By the way, I wouldn't compare the Hulk to a top end ship like a cap ship or something, it's just a mining ship, it should be able to be used anywhere there are asteroid belts. It's not like we can setup a rorqual in a belt in highsec.

I don't mind it at all, last time I went out mining, all of the belts were full and the systems I checked were mostly empty. Makes it pretty easy to stock up on minerals.

The real question is, when will it be worth mining endgame minerals so we don't have to see all these should-be-in-null-exhumers in high?

Not really. The issue isn't just how safe highsec is now (and it's still pretty safe, even if a lot of stupid people are getting ganked), it's also how safe the highsec carebears WANT it to be. If, instead of "nerf suicide ganking", the general highsec carebear response was "yay, my competition is dead now the minerals are all mine", there might be a bit more room for understanding, but what we actually have is a lot of very loud people demanding changes that will damage the risk/reward balance even more than they already have.



It's not just that they're playing it "the wrong way", the problem is that they're:

1) Getting too much reward for the minimal risks in highsec.

and

2) Demanding changes which would be make the situation even worse every time there's a threat to their ability to have 100% safe AFK income.

As long as these two statements are true, highsec carebears deserve to be ganked over and over again until they quit the game. And they will not be missed.

The issue is that the Hulk is an endgame mining ship. It is only flown by veteran players, ideally with a high level of player and character skills. For the solo player, it is the ultimate mining ship, and it is an important element in any larger-scale mining operation.

The fact that there are enough Hulks in highsec for Hulkageddon to be possible is a sign of a severe lack of balance between risk and reward. Veteran miners are choosing to stay in highsec long past the point where they should be moving into lowsec and/or 0.0 in search of greater rewards, which suggests that either:

1) Highsec mining provides way too much income, and needs to be nerfed to a point where only new players have any reason to do it (with the minerals being moved to lowsec/0.0).

or

2) Highsec miners are overwhelmingly willing to give up on maximizing profit in favor of minimizing risks, in which case ganking them is awesome because every miner that ragequits drives the price of minerals up a bit more for the players who are willing to take risks to get them.

Either way, highsec miners need to be ganked out of the game until the situation is fixed.

Too bad this supposed majority is a silent one. It's a lot easier to say "let the minority whine" when they're dominating the forum discussion and CCP might actually listen to them and give them changes that they believe a majority of miners want.

(If the majority in fact have the opinion you claim, that is.)



Because mining is boring as hell. You realize this was the point of the thread, right? It might have been hijacked into another generic discussion of why miners suck, but the original question was about when mining income will rise to a level where even people who hate mining will be tempted to do it.

So a 100fold difference in mineral prices isn't a large enough gap to convince people to come out to null, we must need a bigger gap. By the way, I'm pointing this out because I noticed we moved the goalpost from ganking the crap out of miners to drive the price up so you and I can make money, to completely moving mining out to null. I'm going to place my bets that at a 100fold difference in potential profit, you aren't getting these people to come out there.

Personally I've been out there, it's nice, but requires too much time, effort, and socialization so I'll be here dodging ganks.

You do realize that only 5% of any given MMO's population visit the forums right?

I do agree with you that mining is boring as hell though, I can only stand it for so much before I go out missioning or rat'ing.

Killing miners won't solve anything. There were never enough of them to begin with. If you blew up every hulk in EVE, every day you still wouldn't impose the losses of a single fleet battle of old. I had days where I lost 2 billion in T2 fit Apoc's and the only question I had was, how do I get more?

Hulk dies, you log out for a week, use your ret untill you forgot why you were using it, maybe get another Hulk in a month or 2.