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EVE is not CCP's top priority?

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Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-05-31 19:22:01 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
https://twitter.com/CCPGAMESjobs/status/206018917548818432

Quote:
CCP Games [...] is expanding its team for the development of its world renowned MMO World of Darkness, launch of its groundbreaking first person shooter DUST 514 and to continue the growth in its flagship title EVE Online.


pretty clear ordering of priorities and enthusiasm.


DUST514 is almost ready for release, as stated before, so with that almost out of the way and with the predicted income from it, CCP can continue WoD development. This means that any profit from EVE will be channelled back in to EVE. Priorities seem fairly in order to me.


Right, so their priority list is DUST514, WOD and then EVE.



You aren't too bright are you? CCP has different development teams for each game. The biggest issue before was that DUST514 and WoD were both taking money and staffing away from EVE. In response to community outrage CCP shelved development of WoD and re-focused on EVE and DUST514.

Now that DUST514 is almost ready to be released, its team will be increased, with any EVE staff being put back into EVE, and be self funding once it goes live, this means no further funding or staff will need to be re-tasked from EVE. The profits that CCP make from EVE and from Dust514 will be used to continue developing EVE and also to re-start the development of WoD. This is exactly the way every other multi-product company in the world does business.

As to the advert linked in the other post, it is no indication of development priority that WoD and DUST514 are mentioned first, as these are both new titles with small staff numbers, and rather than take EVE staff away to work on these products, the company has taken the wise decision to hire new staff. As for EVE, it will continue to develop along the lines that were drawn up and mentioned in Hilmars apology letter.

All the whining and screaming is nothing more than troll talk by people who have a limited or non-existent understanding of business practices, advertising, HR or common sense.


Do you really think they'll put resources back into EVE once DUST514 launches? They'll need to stay and make sure things go as planned. Then of course in order to keep people hooked they'll need to add more DLC. Also, DUST514 is a crapshot at best. You have games like Planetside2, Mechwarrior Online and many others that'll be competing for FPS players.

It'll be a year before those resources are put back into EVE - if ever - because then of course CCP will be focusing on WOD.

Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-05-31 19:32:33 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:


Do you really think they'll put resources back into EVE once DUST514 launches? They'll need to stay and make sure things go as planned. Then of course in order to keep people hooked they'll need to add more DLC. Also, DUST514 is a crapshot at best. You have games like Planetside2, Mechwarrior Online and many others that'll be competing for FPS players.

It'll be a year before those resources are put back into EVE - if ever - because then of course CCP will be focusing on WOD.



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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#23 - 2012-05-31 19:34:12 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:

Do you really think they'll put resources back into EVE once DUST514 launches? They'll need to stay and make sure things go as planned. Then of course in order to keep people hooked they'll need to add more DLC. Also, DUST514 is a crapshot at best. You have games like Planetside2, Mechwarrior Online and many others that'll be competing for FPS players.

It'll be a year before those resources are put back into EVE - if ever - because then of course CCP will be focusing on WOD.



I guess you've never heard of a maintenance staff, have you? The entire development team isn't going to need to stick around after Dust's release, they'll just keep a small staff to keep things going.

Why are you being so intentionally inflammatory? Did you miss all the attention while you were on a forums vacay?

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Botleten
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-05-31 19:37:35 UTC
I heard through the grapevine that CCP eats babies. Must be true, grapevine never lies.
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-05-31 19:48:46 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:


Do you really think they'll put resources back into EVE once DUST514 launches? They'll need to stay and make sure things go as planned. Then of course in order to keep people hooked they'll need to add more DLC. Also, DUST514 is a crapshot at best. You have games like Planetside2, Mechwarrior Online and many others that'll be competing for FPS players.

It'll be a year before those resources are put back into EVE - if ever - because then of course CCP will be focusing on WOD.



Did you know that negativety has been found to reduce ***** size? If it doesn't it should, then I could just make fun of all the negative nancies for having tiny little peckers.


You know what they say about people that assume things.
Luis Graca
#26 - 2012-05-31 20:11:02 UTC
Why do you thing that theres no new content for 2 expansion in a row and they also don't speak on what's the way?
Widow Cain
#27 - 2012-05-31 20:17:16 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Heard this on the grapevine that despite the uprising and the fallout from last years mess, it seems EVE is still not the top priority of CCP. It seems that DUST514 and WOD are at the top of CCP's list of relevance to their business plan. EVE is still getting support, but it is not CCP's main goal any longer.

This would be sad if it is true.


9 year old game in a no win situation, if they change it to attract new players they will lose the lifers they have left.

Plus lets face it, the sandbox has gotten all ****** and if they fix it they will also lose the lifers they have left.

OMG You are sooo pixel macho...

Little Brat
Provincia Septim Reborn
#28 - 2012-05-31 20:18:51 UTC
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#29 - 2012-05-31 20:23:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
It took just 2 failexpansions for people to realize EVE isn't on top of CCP's priorities list anymore.

Now more important question is how soon CCP can debug DUST to the level where it won't need most of development resources + how much time it will take to relocate resources and actually release non-fail EVE expansion after that - *two years or three*?

(assuming resources for next year EVE expansion will be eaten by DUST debugs as well)
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#30 - 2012-05-31 20:24:28 UTC
Would you make serving this community of thugs, narcissists and bullies your top priority? With online usage sliding gradually into the toilet?
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#31 - 2012-05-31 22:16:24 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:


Do you really think they'll put resources back into EVE once DUST514 launches? They'll need to stay and make sure things go as planned. Then of course in order to keep people hooked they'll need to add more DLC. Also, DUST514 is a crapshot at best. You have games like Planetside2, Mechwarrior Online and many others that'll be competing for FPS players.

It'll be a year before those resources are put back into EVE - if ever - because then of course CCP will be focusing on WOD.



Ok, since you seem a little slow.

CCP have already put resources back in to EVE and have been for over 6 months now, DUST514 is nearing completion and its projected sales figures, which I will assume are backed by genre based sales figures from Sony, clearly indicate that DUST514 has a strong place in the FPS market.

You should also remember that no other game currently available has a solid link to a PC based MMORPG in the way that EVE and DUST514 have, this in and of itself is a truly unique selling point and one which both CCP and Sony have clearly invested time, money and research into.

As for WoD, it is clear that CCP have the extra funding needed to successfully complete the WoD project without pulling resources away from either DUST514 or EVE, hence the reason they are hiring new staff. I honestly do not know what thought processes are running through your head but I suggest you have them checked out.

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NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#32 - 2012-05-31 22:19:46 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Heard this on the grapevine that despite the uprising and the fallout from last years mess, it seems EVE is still not the top priority of CCP. It seems that DUST514 and WOD are at the top of CCP's list of relevance to their business plan. EVE is still getting support, but it is not CCP's main goal any longer.

This would be sad if it is true.


That is because EVE has a community that says NO to Micro Transactions (MT).
Now if CCP creates a new game with MT from the start, they got their selves a money maker!

..

Torvin Yulus
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-05-31 22:20:50 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Heard this on the grapevine that despite the uprising and the fallout from last years mess, it seems EVE is still not the top priority of CCP. It seems that DUST514 and WOD are at the top of CCP's list of relevance to their business plan. EVE is still getting support, but it is not CCP's main goal any longer.

This would be sad if it is true.


That is because EVE has a community that says NO to Micro Transactions (MT).
Now if CCP creates a new game with MT from the start, they got their selves a money maker!


i would pay money for new ships and stuiff

im a pubby and im proud

NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#34 - 2012-05-31 22:21:43 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Heard this on the grapevine that despite the uprising and the fallout from last years mess, it seems EVE is still not the top priority of CCP. It seems that DUST514 and WOD are at the top of CCP's list of relevance to their business plan. EVE is still getting support, but it is not CCP's main goal any longer.

This would be sad if it is true.


That is because EVE has a community that says NO to Micro Transactions (MT).
Now if CCP creates a new game with MT from the start, they got their selves a money maker!

..

SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-05-31 22:26:42 UTC
Wasn't WoD put in pretty much indefinite hold except for the art team?
Kitfox Mikakka
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-05-31 22:31:32 UTC
Luis Graca wrote:
Why do you thing that theres no new content for 2 expansion in a row and they also don't speak on what's the way?


T3 Battlecruisers and a bunch of neat revisions and changes and missile graphics and stuff is totally no new content, yep.
Holy One
Privat Party
#37 - 2012-05-31 23:02:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Holy One
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Heard this on the grapevine that despite the uprising and the fallout from last years mess, it seems EVE is still not the top priority of CCP. It seems that DUST514 and WOD are at the top of CCP's list of relevance to their business plan. EVE is still getting support, but it is not CCP's main goal any longer.

This would be sad if it is true.


I take it you are aware how many millions CCP pumped in to developing both Dust and the framework for WOD? Yeah like ALL OF THEM. Of course Eve is not top priority, but at least it is getting ~500% more dev time than it got throughout the whole of 2010 and 2011. As long as CCP keeps delivering balance, aesthetic/usability and content updates like inferno, Eve abides.

Realistic expectation: CCP wants to realize their 'multi national' ambitions. Side projects like Eve have now long been outed as fundamentally flawed (design wise and demographic wise) and supremely unappealing to new customers. The last ten years of steady and unspectacular growth in subscriptions (not necessarily individual subscribers) facilitates the companies requisite future expansion in to new consumer demographics. CCP can't hope to build an empire on one ageing niche project. No matter how 'steady' it is or how cherished.

No company ever wants to stagnate or cut jobs/projects. Eve is not and will not ever be mass market. Eve is fundamentally flawed in many ways and developing it is hideously expensive and absurdly time consuming due to the HIDEOUS GODDAMN MESS nature of the code base and the neccessity to maintain subscriber status quo at all costs.

Tl;dr NEWS FLASH N3RDS: Eve is not CCP's 'future vision'. Sony. Err sorry.

:)

Jackal Datapaw
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-05-31 23:13:25 UTC
It actually funny how Dust514, which is a PlayStation exclusive, was compared to a PC only games. I mean, it not like they are two different things you know..... It not like, you know the first mmo to be connected to another mmo on the same server through two different platforms.

It also clear that people havn't been watching the fanfest things ither, you know it not like the introduced Nvidea partners to help their game grow not just visually but code wise as well. It not like CCP are made of a human crew not robots. Noooo, it not like any of that stuff is going on.
Sebroth
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-05-31 23:39:00 UTC
Let see...

CCP can't afford to box EvE Online
CCP can afford to box DUST514
CCP can afford to box WoD

If anyone believe their main focus aint on keeping EvE alive they sure are stupid. CCP as a company cant afford to not have EvE as thier main focus. They have over 500 employees that need money every month. So EvE is what keep CCP alive as a company. But they cant afford to have EvE Online as thier only focus. EvE is getting older by the day. It might survive 10 more years it might die in 3. By that time CCP need to have something new ready or close to ready.. That is what WoD is as far anyone can tell outside CCP HQ. If not WoD they need to find something else and that asap. DUST 514 is just a way to expand the lifetime and market that is EvE. No EvE, no DUST514 as it stand.
CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#40 - 2012-06-01 09:49:32 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
Heard this on the grapevine that despite the uprising and the fallout from last years mess, it seems EVE is still not the top priority of CCP. It seems that DUST514 and WOD are at the top of CCP's list of relevance to their business plan. EVE is still getting support, but it is not CCP's main goal any longer.

This would be sad if it is true.


Get a better grapevine. Rumor false.

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