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Malakai Asamov
Van Diemen's Demise
Northern Coalition.
#1 - 2012-05-27 14:04:49 UTC
I didn't see this in the rules anywhere but.....

Players changing alliances on a test server gets both alliances banned from participating in alliance tournament?

Would be a good rule. Really well defined like a rule should be.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#2 - 2012-05-27 14:05:55 UTC
Seems sort of exploitable
xo3e
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-05-27 14:29:09 UTC  |  Edited by: xo3e
no
u will be unable to get rid of someone if rules will be simple and clear, so that "someone" will know what not to do
Oops

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Cody Zamorah
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-05-27 15:27:04 UTC
Sorry to barge in but I have another question in regards to the rules.

Penalties

A player found breaking any rules can be penalized to various degrees, depending on the severity of the offence. All penalties are incurred at the tournament organizer's discretion. Decisions are final. Penalties may be levied against a player or team and may include but are not limited to:
•Points deduction
•Reducing the offending ship(s) shield / armor / hull / capacitor to 50%
•Removal from the fightBan from competing for one or more matches.
•Ban from competing for the remainder of the tournament, and/or any future tournaments.
•For Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.


Bolded and underlined the section which made me curious.

Does this imply that the referee can read minds and listen in on voicecomms to hear / read what the teams are thinking / planning and as such can judge on all relevant information?
Because it seems a bit off, that it boils down to how the referee feels at that moment.

The whole "at the referee's discretion, at the GM's discretion" etc seems to pop up a lot, but that makes it pretty vague in my humble opinion.

Personal guttfeelings shouldn't be the point to judge on because we all know that guttfeeling aren't 100% accurate.
I would like to see a bit more elaboration on that to ensure the referees "believes" aren't the only thing which can result in declaring a match null or void.
Cody Zamorah
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-05-29 12:30:29 UTC
I am still waiting on a clarification to this rule.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#6 - 2012-05-29 12:49:01 UTC
xo3e wrote:
no
u will be unable to get rid of someone if rules will be simple and clear, so that "someone" will know what not to do
Oops


whine more.

CCP doesnt need any rule to control the tournament, the rules are for you.
CCP Loxy
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2012-05-30 14:43:59 UTC
Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th.


Cody Zamorah wrote:
Sorry to barge in but I have another question in regards to the rules.

Penalties

A player found breaking any rules can be penalized to various degrees, depending on the severity of the offence. All penalties are incurred at the tournament organizer's discretion. Decisions are final. Penalties may be levied against a player or team and may include but are not limited to:
•Points deduction
•Reducing the offending ship(s) shield / armor / hull / capacitor to 50%
•Removal from the fightBan from competing for one or more matches.
•Ban from competing for the remainder of the tournament, and/or any future tournaments.
•For Alliance Tournament X the referees can call a match null and void or declare a result if they believe that one of the teams is not competing. This tournament is designed to showcase the talents of pilots and should be entertaining.


Bolded and underlined the section which made me curious.

Does this imply that the referee can read minds and listen in on voicecomms to hear / read what the teams are thinking / planning and as such can judge on all relevant information?
Because it seems a bit off, that it boils down to how the referee feels at that moment.

The whole "at the referee's discretion, at the GM's discretion" etc seems to pop up a lot, but that makes it pretty vague in my humble opinion.

Personal guttfeelings shouldn't be the point to judge on because we all know that guttfeeling aren't 100% accurate.
I would like to see a bit more elaboration on that to ensure the referees "believes" aren't the only thing which can result in declaring a match null or void.



This rule is vague because it has to be. We have had 9 tournaments without this rule and for good reason, but the events of last year have forced us to react by including new rules such as the one above. Tournament staff and referees will act based on the information available and with the tournament both as an event for the players on the field and those watching on the stream on their minds.

Teams and players should hold the tournament in high regard and take the event seriously, if you have to ask yourself "would they stop the fight if we did this" then you should not do it.

Video Producer & Director of EVE TV
Cody Zamorah
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-05-30 16:53:43 UTC
CCP Loxy wrote:

Teams and players should hold the tournament in high regard and take the event seriously.


I shall hold it in the same high regard and will take it just as serious as you have proven to be towards me and my peers.
Karbox Delacroix
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-05-30 21:39:55 UTC
CCP Loxy wrote:

Teams and players should hold the tournament in high regard and take the event seriously


Cool story bro. [/SoundwaveTroll]
Ohh Yeah
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#10 - 2012-05-30 23:41:11 UTC
CCP Loxy wrote:
Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th.


His question was related to the test server, not Tranquility.

Unless, of course, you are implying that characters must also stay in the same alliance on SiSi with no break in membership from the alliance they intend to compete with, and that you will check all competing player's corp history on both TQ and SiSi prior to their matches.

If that's the case, it seems a tad unreasonable, as the test server is just that - a test server - and swapping corps readily is useful for logistics and so on. One of the bonuses of SiSi is that you can drop from your corp and rejoin freely without screwing with your corp history, which some people take seriously on TQ.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#11 - 2012-05-31 01:13:22 UTC
He's not implying that, sisi corp history doesn't matter. (except in 0bhydra's case ofc xD)

The question Loxy was answering gets asked every year, was in a different thread this year but vhatevs
Malakai Asamov
Van Diemen's Demise
Northern Coalition.
#12 - 2012-05-31 04:02:59 UTC
CCP Loxy wrote:
Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th.


Can you confirm whcih servers this applies to, question was regarding the test server. Thanks in advance.
NeoShocker
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#13 - 2012-05-31 07:20:21 UTC
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All competing pilots must have been members of the alliance for which they are competing, and be a member of that Alliance by downtime on May, 05, 2012.


Say a corp been in alliance for a year, but then a new member joins, say a day after or so after that deadline. This guy can't join right?

I have a situation that I have a guy been part of my corp for years, but left to another corp (but actually was out for 3 months due of baby and real life) and he rejoined back in after his life settled down. It was well about two weeks after the deadline. Would want him, but he isn't eligible. :(

If I recall, wasn't last year the deadline a month before the tournament? I don't really remember, but this time around, its about 2 months must being in corp/alliance to be eligible :(

Really want to be sure that I'm on the right track on the rules
CCP Loxy
C C P
C C P Alliance
#14 - 2012-05-31 09:49:35 UTC
Malakai Asamov wrote:
CCP Loxy wrote:
Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th.


Can you confirm whcih servers this applies to, question was regarding the test server. Thanks in advance.


Sorry missed the bit about the test server, you can change corps and alliances as you like on Sisi. But based on actions taken by us so far I would be very wary if you intend to join someone else's alliance for "practice & logistics" reasons. Again, if your not sure about it, don't risk it.

Video Producer & Director of EVE TV
Randomize All
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-05-31 13:00:25 UTC
CCP Loxy wrote:
Malakai Asamov wrote:
CCP Loxy wrote:
Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th.


Can you confirm whcih servers this applies to, question was regarding the test server. Thanks in advance.


Sorry missed the bit about the test server, you can change corps and alliances as you like on Sisi. But based on actions taken by us so far I would be very wary if you intend to join someone else's alliance for "practice & logistics" reasons. Again, if your not sure about it, don't risk it.


Well didn't you pick a fine time to be clear and concise.... go and stand in the corner with the other guilty parties. If you all hang your heads in shame you can compare penis sizes.
Chekxxx
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-05-31 14:03:40 UTC
CCP Loxy wrote:
Malakai Asamov wrote:
CCP Loxy wrote:
Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th.


Can you confirm whcih servers this applies to, question was regarding the test server. Thanks in advance.


Sorry missed the bit about the test server, you can change corps and alliances as you like on Sisi. But based on actions taken by us so far I would be very wary if you intend to join someone else's alliance for "practice & logistics" reasons. Again, if your not sure about it, don't risk it.

This reply does indeed crack me up
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#17 - 2012-05-31 18:43:42 UTC
CCP Loxy wrote:
Malakai Asamov wrote:
CCP Loxy wrote:
Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th.


Can you confirm whcih servers this applies to, question was regarding the test server. Thanks in advance.


Sorry missed the bit about the test server, you can change corps and alliances as you like on Sisi. But based on actions taken by us so far I would be very wary if you intend to join someone else's alliance for "practice & logistics" reasons. Again, if your not sure about it, don't risk it.


What happens if you're not sure about it and send an email before you do it? Is that a problem?
Karbox Delacroix
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-05-31 21:08:52 UTC
Suleiman Shouaa wrote:
CCP Loxy wrote:
Malakai Asamov wrote:
CCP Loxy wrote:
Players can change from one corp to another within the same alliance and still be eligible for the tournament. They must not drop out to an npc corp in between this switch. To be perfectly clear there should be uninterrupted membership of the alliance in the player's history since downtime on May the 5th.


Can you confirm whcih servers this applies to, question was regarding the test server. Thanks in advance.


Sorry missed the bit about the test server, you can change corps and alliances as you like on Sisi. But based on actions taken by us so far I would be very wary if you intend to join someone else's alliance for "practice & logistics" reasons. Again, if your not sure about it, don't risk it.


What happens if you're not sure about it and send an email before you do it? Is that a problem?


No, it is not a problem. Like an ex-grilfriend her words have a very specific context and meaning, that is, until she decides they don't. In which case you know darn well why you are in trouble and her decision is final so there is no use talking about it any further.
Cody Zamorah
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-05-31 21:48:52 UTC
Don't ever tell your girlfriend or wife her hair looks great when she returns from the hairdresser.
We might respond, " Wasn't my hair good before that then?"

Best say " I like this hairstyle on you very much aswel"

We will hit at every opening you present to us. Be warned.
Edward Olmops
Gunboat Commando
#20 - 2012-05-31 22:48:00 UTC
It occurs to me that for some reason most of the hitting comes from people in NPC Corps... Roll

I hereby propose to color all postings by members of NPC corps in light green - for that is is the color of crappy magic items in World of Warcraft! Big smile
Forums will be a lot easier to read this way...
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