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[CSM] May Summit Day 1 Quick Report

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
The Revenant Order
#21 - 2012-05-31 15:59:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Carrigan
Drake, you seriously need to calm the **** down. You were one of the ones yelling the loudest about lack of CSM communication.

At least Trebor took the time to let us know about some of the basics that were covered. In public speaking, or presentations, it's a little thing called a keyword outline. He let us know "Hey, here is some of the stuff discussed to keep you all in the loop, but I'll get to details once the minutes are done."

That's a little thing called a professional courtesy. So shove a pacifier in it, and wait patiently like everyone else.

And also, learn to read. He didn't say he attended 100's of hours of meetings.

He said it will take 100's of man hours to comb through the detailed meeting notes to ensure there is no NDA material in them.

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Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-05-31 19:34:06 UTC
When are the minutes being released? a week? less? more? I'm looking for an estimate of posting date. I haven't followed the CSM closely before so I don't have the schedules for the CSM meetings listed anywhere.

Drake has always sounded a bit like a tool,

this thread doesn't tell me anything other then you've had a meeting, I guess that that is important, but there is no meat in it.

of course, teaser, yeah little meat implied.

on a side note, is there anywhere on the CCP forums that CSM post their platforms?

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.

Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-05-31 20:12:08 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Drake, you seriously need to calm the **** down. You were one of the ones yelling the loudest about lack of CSM communication.

At least Trebor took the time to let us know about some of the basics that were covered. In public speaking, or presentations, it's a little thing called a keyword outline. He let us know "Hey, here is some of the stuff discussed to keep you all in the loop, but I'll get to details once the minutes are done."

That's a little thing called a professional courtesy. So shove a pacifier in it, and wait patiently like everyone else.

And also, learn to read. He didn't say he attended 100's of hours of meetings.

He said it will take 100's of man hours to comb through the detailed meeting notes to ensure there is no NDA material in them.


My point is communicaiton is pointless without content.

Thats it....oh sure hes flapping his gums.

But thats all I'm seeing.

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-05-31 21:12:50 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
I am sorry that you are disappointed that, after 10 hours of meetings, a working dinner, and intense discussions late into the night, your sleep-deprived and jetlagged representatives could not produce a detailed multi-page synopsis of the meetings over breakfast and get it NDA-vetted before doing the pre-meeting prep for Day 2.

Given the >100 man-hours of effort that will go into the production of those detailed notes -- they are called minutes -- and your obvious burning need to read them, the only suggestion I can make is that you should run for the next CSM, get elected, and attend the meetings in person. No doubt you will do a much better job of informing the community than the current bunch of incompetents.

Love and Kisses,
Trebor



Maybe you should learn to read before you respond.


I got more information out of two-steps posts in Jita park than the horse crap you slung here.

All you've told us is you went to a meeting and dined and thats it.

There is litterally no content.

A simple "We're posting the minutes soon so be patient with us" would have been more productive than the tripe you posted there.

This isn't Jita park...we're not interested in your political grand standing and top hats with canes and monocles posturing.

If your going to communicate...do so with constructive information and not fluff.

Attending "100's of hours meetings" would imply a hell of alot more content than the mere excuse of "NDA".

that's like posting a document with black bars painted on the page...why bother posting in the first place if that's all you got.


i love how you get zero likes. Your basiclly asking for less communcation from the CSM. lol. well if you don't like it, keep your mouth shut so the rest of us can know what they are up too.

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cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#25 - 2012-06-01 00:13:22 UTC
Hello there. Have any of you brought up how bad the new UI is with ccp?

If not, please discuss this issue. Any feedback on this would be great. Thanks.

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Flamespar
WarRavens
#26 - 2012-06-01 00:27:36 UTC
Hopefully the Incarna stuff won't be too heavily NDA'd, it would be nice to have some certainty that it is actually going somewhere, and have something to look forward to.

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Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-06-01 02:13:10 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:

i love how you get zero likes. Your basiclly asking for less communcation from the CSM. lol. well if you don't like it, keep your mouth shut so the rest of us can know what they are up too.


Likes are a valid determination of how much his argument is worth?

And we still dont know what they are up to, in fact the last thread that he was trolling about the lack of CSM communication got us some communication

this is not to say that its the only way, or that its going to be a consistently effective tool, but it was effective once.
this thread is not a real information thread, although it does say that in the op.

its a teaser thread. it teases. objective : complete

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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
#28 - 2012-06-01 08:14:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
Drake Draconis wrote:
~tantrum~


I guess they breed em dumb & rude in your part of the galaxy. Don't you have any traffic jams to honk in and generally be an ass in somewhere?

Seriously, what is wrong with you?

I was glad to have had some information, those for instance not in twitter would have been updated by this post.
But I guess your just to special to realize that it isn't about you, its about getting information out to everybody.

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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#29 - 2012-06-01 09:31:55 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
And we still dont know what they are up to, in fact the last thread that he was trolling about the lack of CSM communication got us some communication


This is what we are up to - Three days of meetings in Iceland.

Today is the final day. Trebor's updates (Day 2 is here) are all we have time to produce while we are here, aside from a few of us that are using Twitter to do live updates from time to time during the sessions. We will all be flying home this weekend and will then start sorting out the official minutes. That will probably take 2-4 weeks depending on people's RL work schedules and reviewing them for NDA stuff. I will work up a blog early next week detailing what I can about the summit as a whole prior to that.

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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
#30 - 2012-06-01 09:58:50 UTC
Thank you Trebor and Seleene, at least you have made it clear that CSM is actually working. Stay the course, keep up the good work CSM !

To Drake :-
People looking for quick and instant fixes and feedback are being totally unrealistic.
Not every post made by a CSM member must have content specific to your likes, Drake.
An informational about what is being done and which events are being attended is just that - an informational.
I suspect that even when the minutes are released, you will have something negative to say about that too.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#31 - 2012-06-01 19:48:03 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
(...)

The State of Incarna

We got a briefing on the goals CCP has for Incarna. Large parts of this in the minutes may well be NDA'd, but it was a very positive meeting.

(...)


Not very thrilling as we already had a lot of talking and not doing on this issue, being replaced now with NDA talking and even less doing... Roll


Frying Doom
#32 - 2012-06-01 23:46:07 UTC
Thanks for keeping us updated. I don't ever remember hearing anything at all this fast.

Keep up the good work.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Vicata Heth
Docked and Loaded
#33 - 2012-06-02 06:16:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Vicata Heth
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

We discussed a broad range of procedural topics, including reforms to the CSM election process and possible other structural changes. There will be an internal discussion of these things followed by a public discussion period before anything is decided.

I support this.

Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

Live Events

Closing out the day, we had a session devoted to finding ways to encourage more live events, both CCP-created and also player-created (such as Hulkageddon). Some interesting stuff IMHO.

I support this very much as well.

Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
CSM is constantly encouraging CCP to communicate more, and at the earliest possible stage in the process. I think you'll see more of this during the summer.

I too would like to see more communication from CCP. More communication from CCP would actually help their cause quite a bit. People wouldn't be so pissed off about the glorified inventory if they knew there was a goal behind it that would benefit the game overall. However there has been little communication on CCP's part regarding this, and as a result the only information players have to form an opinion from, is the information sitting right in front of them. And that information tells them the new inventory sucks, nothing more.

As far as Drake whining because Trebor didn't provide information on every second of the meetings, for reasons beyond his control. Get over it, it's communication, it tells people a little bit about what's going on with the meetings. I'm sure Trebor would love to tell you every detail of the discussions that took place, but he is unable to do that for multiple reasons. Being an ******* about it isn't going to change that, nor is it going to encourage more communication.
Zanban
Lava Shark Productions
#34 - 2012-06-02 13:51:44 UTC
Hey thanks to all the CSM for the update on what's going on and what was talked about. Trebor what little you said sparked my interest.

As for Drake The douchbag you need to shut up and quit being a hypocritical piece of ****. I don't normally post on the fourms but enough is enough. You need to quit being a cry baby. All you do is ***** and complain and when something dont go your way you throw a temper tantrum like a two year old kid. You wonder why the CSM don't pay attention to you just look at how you act.

Now back to the CSM thank you for all your hard work and for the update on the summit.
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