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CCP needs to take a hard look at Goonswarm and Hulkageddon to save EVE.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#321 - 2012-05-31 17:46:13 UTC
Mokanor Lenak wrote:
This whole thread...

If people hadn't cry so much, hulkaggedon, burn jita and the sponsership would not have happen, and high-sec would have been safer.

Crying only makes them want to do it more.

Foolish, foolish people.

I'd be worried about posts like these.

But they wouldn't stop cry if you told them do. And we've tried, trust me Shocked

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Drax Dremal
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#322 - 2012-05-31 18:15:07 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Mokanor Lenak wrote:
This whole thread...

If people hadn't cry so much, hulkaggedon, burn jita and the sponsership would not have happen, and high-sec would have been safer.

Crying only makes them want to do it more.

Foolish, foolish people.

I'd be worried about posts like these.

But they wouldn't stop cry if you told them do. And we've tried, trust me Shocked


your so full of cr..
sweetrock
#323 - 2012-05-31 18:16:14 UTC
can i have some of this whine, my cider just ran out
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#324 - 2012-05-31 18:18:05 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Fair bit of effort?? Are you being serious?


Effort might not be the right word, but it DOES require people (a) paying attention and (b) contributing to the intel channel. Obviously, in a perfect world where both of those happen all the time, it can make null fairly safe. In reality though, this doesn't always work. Even in a region like Deklein, which is heavily populated, people get ganked all the time due to not paying attention. Humans are imperfect at best, and gankers will forever be able to take advantage of that.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#325 - 2012-05-31 18:43:02 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Fair bit of effort?? Are you being serious?


Effort might not be the right word, but it DOES require people (a) paying attention and (b) contributing to the intel channel. Obviously, in a perfect world where both of those happen all the time, it can make null fairly safe. In reality though, this doesn't always work. Even in a region like Deklein, which is heavily populated, people get ganked all the time due to not paying attention. Humans are imperfect at best, and gankers will forever be able to take advantage of that.


I am not really talking specifically about a player relaying intel, but more about the vast amount of intel they are able to relay with extremely little effort in gaining said intel.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#326 - 2012-05-31 18:47:29 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
I am not really talking specifically about a player relaying intel, but more about the vast amount of intel they are able to relay with extremely little effort in gaining said intel.


What "vast" intel are we talking about here?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#327 - 2012-05-31 19:05:34 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
I am not really talking specifically about a player relaying intel, but more about the vast amount of intel they are able to relay with extremely little effort in gaining said intel.


What "vast" intel are we talking about here?


Most likely the Bat spy network.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#328 - 2012-05-31 19:09:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Vile rat wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
A bunch of stuff that isn't really accurate and is conveyed in such a caustic manner that I got nothing but middle fingers available while typing which is making this HARD


You see I don't agree with most of your 'given's'. You're suggesting these poor empire miners have no choice but to quit if they can't mine afk in their hulks ;_;

And you made another post:

etc. etc.



If your god Mittani writes a mixture of messianic Goebels-James 315 rant he's precise, honest and needs worship.

I'll entertrain in the same depth of text. After all GS spent years depicting themselves as the ultimate, devious evil. It just brings more color on their carefully crafted public image.


Edit: I too fully support removal of local off nullsec. It will be a godsend to bring thrill back where it belongs and to factually declare the death of safe RMT botting.

I still remember when solo I roamed around 5J (not far from old GS sov), all the bears farming PvE in peace in marauders and the cries of horror and local spam as I entered in local with my exceedingly powerful Cyclone. It was priceless.
I still have a jump clone over there just to go out and make them cry in anguish at the very prospect of PvP.

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#329 - 2012-05-31 19:16:09 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
A bunch of stuff that isn't really accurate and is conveyed in such a caustic manner that I got nothing but middle fingers available while typing which is making this HARD


You see I don't agree with most of your 'given's'. You're suggesting these poor empire miners have no choice but to quit if they can't mine afk in their hulks ;_;

And you made another post:

etc. etc.



If your god Mittani writes a mixture of messianic Goebels-James 315 rant he's precise, honest and needs worship.

I'll entertrain in the same depth of text. After all GS spent years depicting them as the ultimate, devious evil. It just brings more color on their carefully crafted public image.


Edit: I too fully support removal of local off nullsec. It will be a godsend to bring thrill back where it belongs and to factually declare the death of safe RMT botting.

I still remember when solo I roamed around 5J (not far from old GS sov), all the bears farming PvE in peace in marauders and the cries of horror and local spam as I entered in local with my exceedingly powerful Cyclone. It was priceless.
I still have a jump clone over there just to go out and make them cry in anguish at the very prospect of PvP.

Removing local won't stop bots, it will just make it harder to get them to whitelist you when you are hunting them.

So yeah, I would call that a buff to bots, since its not like they wouldn't do their thing aligned.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#330 - 2012-05-31 19:22:47 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Removing local won't stop bots, it will just make it harder to get them to whitelist you when you are hunting them.

So yeah, I would call that a buff to bots, since its not like they wouldn't do their thing aligned.

Seems the bots are better at EVE than some of the players.

No wonder we apparently have "bot fleets".

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#331 - 2012-05-31 19:23:25 UTC
CynoNet Two wrote:

That's all, feel free to return to your regularly scheduled mouthbreathing.


It's sad, you don't see what you are doing to this game. You are killing the bably to cleanse the wash water.
Held in a Technetium basin.

Nobody asked to be saved by you.
You are the Unified User Experience and like the Unified User Interface you did not even check the final outcome on SiSi.



Tallian Saotome wrote:

Removing local won't stop bots, it will just make it harder to get them to whitelist you when you are hunting them.

So yeah, I would call that a buff to bots, since its not like they wouldn't do their thing aligned.


Removing local from the client memory list would be required, in order to prevent DLL injecting bots from still getting the information about who entered in local.

Done that, how do you infer that bots would still be able and escape in time?

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#332 - 2012-05-31 19:24:18 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Removing local won't stop bots, it will just make it harder to get them to whitelist you when you are hunting them.

So yeah, I would call that a buff to bots, since its not like they wouldn't do their thing aligned.

Seems the bots are better at EVE than some of the players.

No wonder we apparently have "bot fleets".

I heard something about a PVP bot a year or 2 back, too.

Kinda wonder what happened to that, its not like it would be that hard to replace 75% of the pilots in a fleet with bots. You could even make the spam porn in local so you can sell them to TEST.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#333 - 2012-05-31 19:25:47 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Removing local won't stop bots, it will just make it harder to get them to whitelist you when you are hunting them.

So yeah, I would call that a buff to bots, since its not like they wouldn't do their thing aligned.

Seems the bots are better at EVE than some of the players.

No wonder we apparently have "bot fleets".

I heard something about a PVP bot a year or 2 back, too.

Kinda wonder what happened to that, its not like it would be that hard to replace 75% of the pilots in a fleet with bots. You could even make the spam **** in local so you can sell them to TEST.


What makes you think TEST are people?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#334 - 2012-05-31 19:29:32 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Spikeflach wrote:
Man, these people talking about how empty 0.0 is, you would think they would find ways to bring the peoples living in hi sec out there to fill the void.

But alas, just kill the miners in hi sec and tell them they don't know eve.

Thats because there is nothing to get people out to nullsec worth the amount of effort it takes to successfully live out here.

Those of us who are here do it for pride of our name on the map, or sheer bloody-mindedness.


The sad thing is that the sandbox, the game, the content is player created.

0.0 is the apex of the player created content.

If there's nobody finding it worth going there, despite the obvious riches and features (i.e. best roids, ability to create supercaps etc) then it's because the players are creating not enticing content. It's not all about the ISK. I would myself prefer going to stay in low sec before returning in 0.0. Huge box of empty.

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#335 - 2012-05-31 19:29:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tallian Saotome
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
CynoNet Two wrote:

That's all, feel free to return to your regularly scheduled mouthbreathing.


It's sad, you don't see what you are doing to this game. You are killing the bably to cleanse the wash water.
Held in a Technetium basin.

Nobody asked to be saved by you.
You are the Unified User Experience and like the Unified User Interface you did not even check the final outcome on SiSi.



Tallian Saotome wrote:

Removing local won't stop bots, it will just make it harder to get them to whitelist you when you are hunting them.

So yeah, I would call that a buff to bots, since its not like they wouldn't do their thing aligned.


Removing local from the client memory list would be required, in order to prevent DLL injecting bots from still getting the information about who entered in local.

Done that, how do you infer that bots would still be able and escape in time?

Overview, perhaps? You can see someone warping in at least 2 seconds before they can start locking you. Thats MORE than enough time to warp a pre-aligned ship, and there is no reason NOT to be pre-aligned. Either while ratting or mining.

Do it that way and you have your align time of vulnerability ever half hour or so.

And cloaks won't help, since they kill your lock time, making it that much easier for your prey to warp out.

Oh, and how do you FIND the bot without local? Its one thing to police a WH, its another to police 1000+ nullsec systems.

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#336 - 2012-05-31 19:32:28 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Spikeflach wrote:
Man, these people talking about how empty 0.0 is, you would think they would find ways to bring the peoples living in hi sec out there to fill the void.

But alas, just kill the miners in hi sec and tell them they don't know eve.

Thats because there is nothing to get people out to nullsec worth the amount of effort it takes to successfully live out here.

Those of us who are here do it for pride of our name on the map, or sheer bloody-mindedness.


The sad thing is that the sandbox, the game, the content is player created.

0.0 is the apex of the player created content.

If there's nobody finding it worth going there, despite the obvious riches and features (i.e. best roids, ability to create supercaps etc) then it's because the players are creating not enticing content. It's not all about the ISK. I would myself prefer going to stay in low sec before returning in 0.0. Huge box of empty.

This is a world of minmaxers, most just don't see the effort worth it to put your name on a pixel planet.

A few of us do see it as worth it for the sake of pride, but most do not.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#337 - 2012-05-31 19:34:59 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Removing local from the client memory list would be required, in order to prevent DLL injecting bots from still getting the information about who entered in local.

Done that, how do you infer that bots would still be able and escape in time?

I hear rumors of humans being bad at running dscan constantly, whereas bots are awesome at this. Is there anything to this allegation?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#338 - 2012-05-31 19:36:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Tallian Saotome wrote:


A few of us do see it as worth it for the sake of pride, but most do not.


You are the hope of New Eden. Honest old school fighters for what they believe in.

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#339 - 2012-05-31 19:39:38 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:


A few of us do see it as worth it for the sake of pride, but most do not.


You are the hope of New Eden. Honest old school figthers for what they believe in.

TBH, I see myself as a carebear, other than being in love with capfleets. But I fight for the space I do my carebearing in, and that is just something every single EVE player needs to be prepared to do.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#340 - 2012-05-31 19:39:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Lord Zim wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Removing local from the client memory list would be required, in order to prevent DLL injecting bots from still getting the information about who entered in local.

Done that, how do you infer that bots would still be able and escape in time?

I hear rumors of humans being bad at running dscan constantly, whereas bots are awesome at this. Is there anything to this allegation?


Running dscan constantly is one of the ways CCP Sreegs can catch bots with. Let them spam predictable patterns. Then they will smarten up and randomize + slow down scans and then appropriate PvPers will take them in the buttocks.

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