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New dev blog: News from the fontlines

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Etara Silverblade
Morex Group Inc.
Haven.
#141 - 2011-09-30 21:19:54 UTC
Why does the new font have to take up more space? And can't we have a choice of a few fonts? The new font is too big for me.
Raw Matters
Brilliant Starfire
#142 - 2011-10-01 10:58:27 UTC
Although I love to hear that a new font is finally applied, it looks too console-style to me. Imo you should seriously apply some more anti-aliasing to make the font look a lot smoother.
Zey Nadar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2011-10-01 12:34:33 UTC
Im still working on getting to test server, but the new font looks very good in the pictures. So far I have seen nothing but good stuff from the updates that are on test server. Refreshing change.
namelessclone01
blackbox ops
#144 - 2011-10-01 22:12:46 UTC
Not sure if it has been mentioned anywhere, and i'm only basing this observation on the pics from the devblog, but this is what i'm reading when looking at this image: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/2208/2401/escmenunew.jpg

"Snow tutorials" (or is it "tutonals"?)
"Snow infiicted nit notifications"
etc etc

I would not call this font particularly readable just from that picture alone.

Basically, all the "high" letters, such as h, d, b, t, f, look pretty much terrible.
And the combination of "ri" looks atrocious.

I believe licensing a font from professional typographers would have been a much better solution.
And i was not aware CCP was in typography business..
Dr Shameless
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#145 - 2011-10-03 08:09:18 UTC
Verdana would be a better choice P
Alejan Gerakh
Scourge Wolf Syndicate
#146 - 2011-10-03 17:59:39 UTC
Diomedes Calypso wrote:
Gee another person with glasses not reading carefully and figuring sense they can read fine there isn't an issue.

Short sidedness is not the same thing as what people get when they get older.

when you are younger and need glasses you have a genetically wrong focal point based on eye shape.

Vision loss due to age is because a portion of your eye hardens making it difficult to focus quickly and basically at all close up.


The experience of a 25 year old using glasses and doing just fine and an 45 year old using prescription glasses and struggling aren't the same.

There is a diferent underlying problem.

Hyperopia vs Presbyopia

if you want to "get" a sense of it, think of using a zoom lens on a camera with auto focus.. .. the lens correct for the distance but you still need to focu.. the auto focus slowly brings the image to focus.. thats what we experience.

Loooking up from a book or looking from one edge of the screen to another .. or to another monitor meens that i need to wait a bit before it sharpens up... and for older people

... and you will ALL experience this as you age

making improvements to font legibilty (and ideally as discussed by others, scaling size) is a very CORE , not cosmetic part of the game.

I 've been able to play fine.. but its a bother, a strain, and an uncessasary one.

And, I'm in the pong generation... a large portion of people who played when they're young are going to keep at it.. older players will be an increasing segment of the customer base as time goes on.

I certainly wasn't intending to say the game didn't need a new font; I've voiced my own agreement that making it more readable is a long-awaited boon to the game... I just felt like commenting on the fact that I've not had issues, even on screens with notoriously low PPI/DPI ratings, like laptop screens. At 17" and 1920x1200, that's less than 2/3rds what most standard PC monitors would allow, since the ideal sizes for 1920x1200 are in the 24"-26" range.

In any case, I would like to see them do a better job with this new font. As others have noted, it does still have a number of flaws. I think that it should be pointed out in a devBlog that this is only a stop-gap as CCP continues work on CarbonUI, which, as one of the Devs already noted in this thread, should introduce more malleability in terms of font settings, and clear up some of the whining about them still not allowing such adjustments and just throwing in another font.

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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#147 - 2011-10-03 18:55:20 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
it's good to see all the positive feedback here:)

Enjoy it while it lasts.

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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#148 - 2011-10-04 04:15:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
Seeing it on SISI I've enjoyed it overall. It's a more comfortable reading experience, 100%. It feels "large" sometimes, and I'm not sure if that's just my personal preference, or just something to get used to as time goes on. As personal preference, I could go for about 10% smaller size - I know there are plenty of other folks who would like it larger even.


There are still some places it still doesn't quite fit snuggly yet, or some things need to be adjusted. I'm sure these will be worked out during the *cough* QA.

i.e. : Character names in Chat aren't bolded, making it difficult to separate Characters from their Chat message.


There are some places, I think that the form of the interface is still molded to the old font which is less vertical - and there is a challenge there. I took a screenshot of some issues in the character sheet which I want to point it out.


http://flic.kr/p/asLwCm


Hope this helps - I couldn't find another official feedback thread, so hope this gets to you.

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#149 - 2011-10-04 10:09:47 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
Seeing it on SISI I've enjoyed it overall. It's a more comfortable reading experience, 100%. It feels "large" sometimes, and I'm not sure if that's just my personal preference, or just something to get used to as time goes on. As personal preference, I could go for about 10% smaller size - I know there are plenty of other folks who would like it larger even.


There are still some places it still doesn't quite fight snuggly yet, or some things need to be adjusted. I'm sure these will be worked out during the *cough* QA.

i.e. : Character names in Chat aren't bolded, making it difficult to separate Characters from their Chat message.


There are some places, I think that the form of the interface is still molded to the old font which is less vertical - and there is a challenge there. I took a screenshot of some issues in the character sheet which I want to point it out.


http://flic.kr/p/asLwCm


Hope this helps - I couldn't find another official feedback thread, so hope this gets to you.


thank you, the kill mails have been fixed but I'll take a look a the skills now :)

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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#150 - 2011-10-04 12:28:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
I think the major issue isn't when you have a few skills in the sheet...


But when you're a vet with all the skills in a specific category, and it's just a wall of information that's difficult to decipher and view clearly - especially when you're a bit tired or maybe in a rush. Some deliberate spacing in the right places would go a long way.

Good luck. Cool

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Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#151 - 2011-10-05 07:39:06 UTC
I have to say that I have had no problem reading the old font.

Maybe that's due to the size of the monitor I use. I don't know.

However, the new font is definitely easier on the eyes though a little ugly and thin.

One thing I have noticed is the decimal point or lack thereof. I squinted at the screen and it actually is there but rendered so small as to be all but invisible. Not a show stopper I will admit ; for example, distance to the next way point (in AU) seems to have grown by a factor of 10 i.e. 433 Au instead of 43.3 AU.
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#152 - 2011-10-05 15:12:16 UTC
Jaxon Grylls wrote:
I have to say that I have had no problem reading the old font.

Maybe that's due to the size of the monitor I use. I don't know.

However, the new font is definitely easier on the eyes though a little ugly and thin.

One thing I have noticed is the decimal point or lack thereof. I squinted at the screen and it actually is there but rendered so small as to be all but invisible. Not a show stopper I will admit ; for example, distance to the next way point (in AU) seems to have grown by a factor of 10 i.e. 433 Au instead of 43.3 AU.


the points and commas will be fixed Big smile

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Largo Coronet
Perkone
Caldari State
#153 - 2011-10-05 19:51:10 UTC
Just for the ability to tell apart O and zero, I thank you.

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Raendel
#154 - 2011-10-05 19:59:31 UTC
Time Dilation is pretty clever. This way when people complain about lag, you can just say

"That's the way the game is supposed to operate."

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Sakaane Eionell
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#155 - 2011-10-06 01:24:15 UTC
Aineko Macx wrote:
Some feedback:
- The font seems to be a bit too condensed (at least at the size like shown in the options menu screenshot), wouldn't mind it being a bit wider.
- Please make font sizes adjustments possible for more than just context menus and chats. This would make people with high pixel density screens happy

+1

I've been looking forward to a new EVE font since the first day I started playing. This is an improvement but I don't really care for the Comic Sans MS throwback. :( The font is a bit too tall and too skinny. A bit shorter and wider would help.

Suresha

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Liranan
H A V O C Industrial
Fraternity.
#156 - 2011-10-06 01:33:35 UTC
Very nice font, much better than the old one. I hope now people who were complaining about the visibility of the current font will no longer strain their eyes to see.

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sniperskitz
Claws Inc
#157 - 2011-10-06 04:17:03 UTC
I like how you can now distinguish letters, but the font seems a little out of place.

Also please don't remove the ALL CAPS from eve labels.
Strazdas Unstoppable
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2011-10-06 08:28:28 UTC
I was wondering what wil lhappen to "~" sign because it looked like minus (-) ingame and got many confused.
also i think the crossed over 0 wont work as there is a letter like that actually and the no caps in menu really doesnt look good for me. but i guess i was just used to the old style.
lordlotus
The Friendly Chap Inc
#159 - 2011-10-06 09:40:40 UTC
Scalable font. Not all of the players have 20/20 vision, and screen-real estate management is important. On high resoluitions, the font, as it is is too damn small for some players (like me). Please make the UI font (for pop-up menus, etc scalable, even if you only make it Normal, Larger.)
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#160 - 2011-10-06 10:14:26 UTC
Strazdas Unstoppable wrote:
I was wondering what wil lhappen to "~" sign because it looked like minus (-) ingame and got many confused.
also i think the crossed over 0 wont work as there is a letter like that actually and the no caps in menu really doesnt look good for me. but i guess i was just used to the old style.


I'll make sure that ~ will work with the new font Big smile

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