EVE General Discussion

Yes they would, and that's the entire problem. Transporting isn't all that difficult as it is, so what you've just done is remove all forms of logistical interdiction. You've made it impossible to affect the people who are affecting the rest of the universe.

Doesn't matter. You've still created an unassailable base of industrial production that affects the entire universe around it, but which is protected from any kind of influence in the other direction. This fundamentally breaks the very core of the game: the industry and the economy that drives it.

You're asking for godmode. If you don't understand why that is bad in a multiplayer game, there is no helping you.

I see all these posts were people keep saying "it's a pvp game", "it's a sandbox" or whatever other idea they have as to why people need to be able to kill hi-sec players.

You're like the first one that actually gets it.


It has **** to do with pvp, or sandbox, and everything to do with the economic structure in EVE. The sandbox and PvP are just he fascilitators of what NEEDS to happen for the economy to run correctly.

People who want hi-sec to be safe are under this impression that if they ever got it they would still be able to do everything they already do, and that's wrong.

Fact: The day you see high sec systems that don't allow other players to kill you is the day that CCP removes mining, salvaging, or anything else that can effect the economy from those systems. Everything you want to do in hi-sec without ever being effected by another player would be removed from those systems, and placed were other players would be able to blow you up.


Or

Rat spawns would become so tough that people would simply not want to play in those systems because NPC's keep blowing up their hulks.


The entire game is based on one very important facet, people must lose their ship. That goes for every security system from high to null. People have to get blown up. CCP can not make it possible to play in once section of space with absolute immunity, without it effecting every other part of space.



The best solution, and something I know people would absofuckinglutely go apeshit over, would be for CCP to have it put into law in Hi-sec systems that you can't mine in hulks. Due to the increased agression against Hulk pilots in hi-sec space, and the strain placed on concord, all of the factions agree to enact a new law that requires all hulk pilots to operate in low sec space. No one would like that, but honestly it would remove all the bitching over losing hulks in hi-sec to suicide gankers.

I personally feel that's how it should be, and that it would greatly benefit the economy and low sec space to get all the afk super miners the hell out of high sec were they rarely lose their ships, until the next hulkageddon rolls around.

Wardecs are 100% circumventable. The sole reason people do not choose to utilize this fact at present is that if they do so, there are still alternative ways for others to interfere with them (that is, "ganking"), so it's only a very small net benefit.

If, however, one could not be "ganked", it would then become an EXTREMELY obvious next step to simply utilize the 100% war-dec avoidance option to render oneself completely immune to interference. The trivial "costs" of being in an NPC corp would, again, do nothing to alter the fact that you've now created an invincible actor who is fully shielded from influence by the rest of the game world, yet is still allowed to exert their own influence in that world.



Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're misunderstanding the big picture here. This is not just about hi sec dwellers affecting 0.0 - this is about them affecting the entire game, including other hisec dwellers. I am largely a high sec dweller. I also have a pilot in faction war. None of my characters live in 0. This isn't an issue where the sides wholly conform to residency.

Yeah, you really shouldn't have done that.

They were left over from last Christmas. Enjoy the food poisoning.

Gank kids want targets that don't shoot back.
Mine whiners want absolute safety and no repercussions.
Null empires want all the good ore in their systems and nowhere else.
Goons want to destroy Hulks because it's good for their technet business.
Devs want wars and strife to sell news stories and subscriptions.

And the majority of the population lives in the middle, does a little bit of everything, doesn't read the forums, and just enjoys the damn game.

Very true, I was a much happier person a few weeks ago before ever reading the forums The pvp here is far more brutal than ingame.

You chopped your quote out and removed context. so lets have it again.

Ghetto quote: "Living in hi sec, you don't get sov, you don't get to PvP at a whim, you don't get to fly specific ships or use specific ships abilities."




You claimed you could not PVP at whim, I showed the flaw in that.


Right there, we can't bring capships(the only ships unusable in highsec) or use certain abilities(do you know how dumb it would be to use bubbles or bombs in a place where one innocent warping it will get you concorded?)

Let me bring those ships we can't have in highsec, and I get to shoot you with a titan doomsday. You carebears hate wardecs now? Just wait for fighterswarms or dreads that can oneshot your best weapons.


What meaning does it have beyond pride? Upgrades that still leave the space with less profit potential than NPC null? Jump bridges that are pretty much obsolete with titan bridges around?

It is mechanically meaningless, as far as any real gain you might have. Go look up my alliance, you might find I have a little experience in modern nullsec what what holding sov means. We hold sov because of PRIDE, not because it gains us anything. Hell, it costs the alliance more isk a month that either of us is likely to see in a year.

Also 100% circumventable. Don't jetcan mine like a moron. Problem solved. Gank-immunity remains intact.



Yeah? Did you see the tantrums they threw when they found out Decshield was getting nerfed?



But why should it be more difficult? And why should the GAME make it more difficult, instead of the miners actually bearing the burden of doing that themselves?


...which would be relevant if "gas" were the only resource in the universe, maybe, though even then it's an incredibly naive take on the economic impacts of such a hypothetical change.

Wouldn't matter.
There is nothing CCP can do to drive people to low sec to mine. No amount of "making it more profitable" will help.


Well, maybe if the drastically reduced the size of belts in hi-sec so that people would have to go to low sec in order to mine at all.

You don't need time, you just need to watch them warp to the belt you are in in a suspicious manner, and immediately warp out.

You are smart enough to have your own 1 week old alt with a ship full of webs to slingshot you, right?