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uhhhhhhhh what? shift-click, drag was for splitting stacks and multiple selections, right? or am I confused here? and how you think that shift+click for new windows will help you keep your windows the way you like them is beyond me... good luck in your reality dude.

lol now you're the one getting an uhhhhh what?! the new "Unified Inventory" is exactly that - one huge effing stack. you used have to shift+click+drag to separate windows out of a stack. logic says you would need to do the same thing to get them all out of this new stack. guess what? you don't, and +1 for that. get it?

I disagree. The devs should take the feedback as a kick in the nuts, collectively recoil in horror, and pray every night for the next few months that they aren't going to be told to not show up anymore. Why? Because if they don't, they'll never learn. It's not even a matter of hindsight. A disaster like this occurs because of a large succession of failures. They need sufficient motivation to figure out where **** went wrong, and what they can do to prevent it from going wrong in the future. Saying "Good recovery" doesn't provide that motivation.

There needs to be an entire report written up. What were the warning signs? Why were the signs ignored? Why was production rushed to such a point that an obviously broken system went live? Why is there some sort of honest belief that negative criticism is invalid because the players are too stupid to tell the difference between "Different" and "Total Garbage"? (Hint: When you point out actual flaws, odds are REALLY good it's not because it's 'different'. That's a freebie). Who did their job right? Who didn't do their job right?

Seriously. When you add in a feature that generates SEVERAL comment threads over 50 pages long of people complaining about how much your 'feature' sucks, it's time to act like you're the FAA investigating an airliner crash. CCP is too small and going in too many directions at once to afford every other patch being "incarna 2.0" because you rushed half-completed ill-conceived features from test to live. There comes a point when even the majority of apathetic players start cringing at "improvements" and start leaving for something else. If someone else released internet spaceships, incarna 3.0 will sink Eve.

We yell at you because we don't want ALL of you fired (only the really incompetent person that green-lighted moving unified inventory to live). We want you to learn from your mistakes. Learn that ignoring feedback because you think you know better isn't a way to make a consumer product. There's a difference making a product no one knew they wanted (think iPod) or making a product that everyone already told you they don't want. I know, I know. It's a subtle difference. Like the difference between a lighter and a nuclear explosion. Products that consumers didn't know they wanted meet with great success when introduced to a test group (Think: Test server). Where as your Unified Inventory was met with pretty much outright hostility. Or how about that last week or so of comments before Inferno went live where people were BEGGING you to not move the Unified Inventory to live? Seriously. HOW do you miss **** like that? That goes beyond incompetence, and into willful ignorance or possibly a direct attack against CCP. I'd look at whoever pushed it through with a great deal of suspicion. If I was in charge, I would fire them for malicious activity and probably hire someone to investigate their activities at the company for the last year or so to see if they were willfully stupid or outright malicious.

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Not too bad. Very few words got censored. I'm getting better :D

I'm very pleased with the speed of the updates and the work you guys are putting into progressing the new UI to a high standard.
I just wanted to thank everyone on the dev team for finally listening to the community (even if it took some cage rattling) and special thanks to CCP Soundwave for keeping us constantly up to date with the many blogs and forum posts.

I will paste my list of desired "fixes" from the previous threads and keep it up to date so it does not get lost:

Requested Features/Changes:

• Corp role/titles access. I haven't tested this effectively but from what I hear the issues has not been resolved!!!!
• Double clicking ships should open the cargoholds, not make the ship active.
• Double clicking POS arrays/labs should approach and then open the said array as it did before.
• There is (still) no way to open the cargohold of a ship in a corp hangar. The broken "open cargo" is gone from the contextual menu.
• Different windows in different locations should have persistent parameters. The parameters include: Size, location, pinned state, tree view, grouping (merged with other windows), sorting, view (Icon, details, list), columns. - Partially being fixed on Friday. Will update after patch.
• Detachable tree would be awesome.
• Separate buttons that you can add to neocom for different windows which open in a separate window if accessed via shortcuts (keyboard or icon) with remembered states. These include: Ships, Items, Corp Hangar, Deliveries, Cargo, Dronebay, but the more the merrier. Let us choose... if you can add buttons/shortcuts for Fuel bays, POS Arrays, Ore holds, etc. great. Possibly have the tree open only the relevant list (i.e. corp hangar divisions when opening corp hangar with all others collapsed)
• Speed, Optimization, Efficiency - Corp hangar is still slow and takes forever to load/populate the tree with divisions
• Speed, Optimization, Efficiency - Yesterday my corpmate had to use the corp assets window to retrieve recently bought items as the deliveries window was not updating or showing the items.
• Drag selecting items only shows selection after releasing the mouse. It should show highlights during the selection process, not after.
• There should be an option to open windows in a separate view when using any method other than navigating the Unified Inventory UI. If the option is selected, double clicking wrecks, ships cargobays, pos arrays, etc. etc. should open a NEW window just like with shorcuts.
• ISK Values... if this data is available, why is it not viewable in a column like the meta levels?
• Have a small icon on top to toggle additional information like ISK Values to save space and time.
• Naming convention... what works in one view doesn't work in another. Please rename tabs after ship/hangar/division name (i.e.
• "Blueprint Hangar" instead of "Corporation hangars > Blueprints Hangar"). Reason for this is when you have many tabs the actual names that identify the tabs get cut out.
• If possible have filters or search option that searches across the entire available inventory in your station so when using UI you dont have to check 7 divisions, and 50 cans to find a specific item whether it is in your personal or corp hangars.
• Allow filtering of the tree, such as just viewing corp hangars, certain containers, labs, wrecks, etc. Allow Custom sorting of the tree view. Fixed sorting as well.
• Display the fill bar over the tree view. This will help a lot of people to pick the right container, confirm a transfer of goods and notify them when something is there. Make this optional so that people that don't need it to get flooded with even more info causing more lag.
• It's very difficult to differentiate between different containers in the tree view. Listing the type of container and/or appropriate images (for ships as well) that can be toggled would go a long way to improve usability - Promised to be worked on.
• As mentioned before some sort of confirmation that you moved items to the right destination would be great. Fill indicator can do this, or a flash. Before with destination container open you could directly see the that items have been moved there.
• Right click menus on Orcas/Caps to access different bays. You can't deny the usability of having quick access to a specific bay when you need it rather than dealing with the tree clusterfck.
• Folders for filters. Persistent filters. More filters (skills trained, ship race/type). Transferable filters.
Someone mentioned in the original devblog post about the ease of interacting with the UI depending on it's size. Right now it's more difficult to drop items into a tree view as the destination's height is low and close together to other locations. Few cm above or below and you can drop the items in the wrong location. Having an option to detach and change tree view to something bigger or even an assortment of square boxes would counteract this annoyance. Something similar to how containers appear in your items hangar.

Allready Fixed:

• Active ship displayed in ship hangar view
• Packaged ships displayed in ship hangar view
• Opening POS arrays should remember the last division opened and open that instead of the 1st division.
• Looting a wreck/container opens the next wreck/container in range rather than your cargo.
• All the missing ships and items have been returned to me!
• Dragging to a "tab" of a window should drop stuff in there as it did before.

Thanks again and looking forward to the moment when I am finally able to login and use the new UI with great pleasure rather than lots of teeth grinding.
P.S. If anyone in the community would like to add to the list evemail me your suggestions.
EDIT: As per next poster aparently corp access roles have NOT been fixed. C'mon guys? Are you friggen serious? It's been a week!!!!