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Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2012-05-31 11:45:54 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:

2. PVP Enthusiasts (pirates, thugs, insert expletive of the month here) need targets. People in high sec used to come through low sec and you'd occasionally get blown up at a gate camp. No one from hi sec comes to low sec anymore because it's not safe (I know, the horror!). Since the targets won't go to low sec, the PVP Enthusiasts will come to high sec. Because that's where the targets are.



This might sound like a groundbreaking concept right here, but stay with me. What if - what if - those low/null-sec "PvP enthusiasts" started to grow balls and started preying on each other instead of looking for easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec.

Unthinkable, I know. But just toss it around for a minute in your head.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#62 - 2012-05-31 11:47:41 UTC
I think they do ... but then things become "Oh, hey Bob ... we killed Steve again" ... it gets stale ...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2012-05-31 11:49:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
Velicitia wrote:
I think they do ... but then things become "Oh, hey Bob ... we killed Steve again" ... it gets stale ...


I'm fairly certain it is more in the lines of "Hell, that guy over there knows his PvP. I might actually have to risk my ship to engage him!"

Spineless and hypocritical, that's what they are, most of them.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2012-05-31 11:51:38 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:

2. PVP Enthusiasts (pirates, thugs, insert expletive of the month here) need targets. People in high sec used to come through low sec and you'd occasionally get blown up at a gate camp. No one from hi sec comes to low sec anymore because it's not safe (I know, the horror!). Since the targets won't go to low sec, the PVP Enthusiasts will come to high sec. Because that's where the targets are.



This might sound like a groundbreaking concept right here, but stay with me. What if - what if - those low/null-sec "PvP enthusiasts" started to grow balls and started preying on each other instead of looking for easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec.

Unthinkable, I know. But just toss it around for a minute in your head.


But then their PVP safety rails would be removed and that would be unacceptable. Pay attention. We only want carebear safety rails to be removed.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#65 - 2012-05-31 11:52:24 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:

2. PVP Enthusiasts (pirates, thugs, insert expletive of the month here) need targets. People in high sec used to come through low sec and you'd occasionally get blown up at a gate camp. No one from hi sec comes to low sec anymore because it's not safe (I know, the horror!). Since the targets won't go to low sec, the PVP Enthusiasts will come to high sec. Because that's where the targets are.



This might sound like a groundbreaking concept right here, but stay with me. What if - what if - those low/null-sec "PvP enthusiasts" started to grow balls and started preying on each other instead of looking for easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec.

Unthinkable, I know. But just toss it around for a minute in your head.



We do. Hell there are corps down there that do nothing but shoot each other all day but they don't profit from that. You know who does profit from that? High sec miners. The same ones who come to these forums and complain day in and day out about wanting to be 100% safe.

We sit down here and have PVP duels, learn from our errors, and get better at the game. High sec miners get blown up, learn nothing, and seek to change the mechanics of the game in a concerted effort to stack the deck in their favor.

Here is another ground-breaking concept - PVP is not optional in Eve and this is indisputable. Stop coming to the forum and disputing it.

Off to work. Have a great day!

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#66 - 2012-05-31 11:52:41 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Roime wrote:
Nobody hates hiseccers, but everybody loathes the whiny carebear forum poster who wants to ruin EVE.


False again it is the whiny griefers that loathes the idea that they have to share the safety oh highsec with other people who are actually enjoying this game


Sorry, but I see no difference between a hiseccer and a hiseccer, regardless of what they do there. 99 times out of 100 when a hiseccer posts here, it's a ganker or carebear whining about something.


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Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2012-05-31 11:52:55 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:

2. PVP Enthusiasts (pirates, thugs, insert expletive of the month here) need targets. People in high sec used to come through low sec and you'd occasionally get blown up at a gate camp. No one from hi sec comes to low sec anymore because it's not safe (I know, the horror!). Since the targets won't go to low sec, the PVP Enthusiasts will come to high sec. Because that's where the targets are.



This might sound like a groundbreaking concept right here, but stay with me. What if - what if - those low/null-sec "PvP enthusiasts" started to grow balls and started preying on each other instead of looking for easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec.

Unthinkable, I know. But just toss it around for a minute in your head.


But then their PVP safety rails would be removed and that would be unacceptable. Pay attention. We only want carebear safety rails to be removed.



This guy here. This guy gets it.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#68 - 2012-05-31 11:54:20 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
I think they do ... but then things become "Oh, hey Bob ... we killed Steve again" ... it gets stale ...


I'm fairly certain it is more in the lines of "Hell, that guy over there knows his PvP. I might actually have to risk my ship to engage him!"


That's called fun.

But that kind of fun takes more effort to make happen than suicide ganking, so v0v. Besides that, now that OTEC is humming along, there's not much incentive to fight big battles. Once Tech's nerfed and alliances start scrambling for the next big income source, we won't have much time for ganking and will have to bid you adieu Cry

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#69 - 2012-05-31 11:54:50 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec.

Why can't they fight back?

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
#70 - 2012-05-31 11:56:46 UTC
Roime wrote:
Nobody hates hiseccers, but everybody loathes the whiny carebear forum poster who wants to ruin EVE.


Nobody hates PvPers, but everybody loathes the whiny ganktard forum poster who wants to ruin EVE.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#71 - 2012-05-31 11:58:08 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
I think they do ... but then things become "Oh, hey Bob ... we killed Steve again" ... it gets stale ...


I'm fairly certain it is more in the lines of "Hell, that guy over there knows his PvP. I might actually have to risk my ship to engage him!"

Spineless and hypocritical, that's what they are, most of them.



Much like those who think they shouldn't be affected by anyone else in the game, if they actually got some balls and took steps to protect themselves they wouldn't be such easy target. But then that takes effort, so not really an option for the entitlement crowd is it.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#72 - 2012-05-31 11:59:45 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:

2. PVP Enthusiasts (pirates, thugs, insert expletive of the month here) need targets. People in high sec used to come through low sec and you'd occasionally get blown up at a gate camp. No one from hi sec comes to low sec anymore because it's not safe (I know, the horror!). Since the targets won't go to low sec, the PVP Enthusiasts will come to high sec. Because that's where the targets are.



This might sound like a groundbreaking concept right here, but stay with me. What if - what if - those low/null-sec "PvP enthusiasts" started to grow balls and started preying on each other instead of looking for easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec.

Unthinkable, I know. But just toss it around for a minute in your head.


But then their PVP safety rails would be removed and that would be unacceptable. Pay attention. We only want carebear safety rails to be removed.



This guy here. This guy gets it.


Only in your opinion, which means he doesn't get it at all.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2012-05-31 12:01:12 UTC
Virgil Travis wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
I think they do ... but then things become "Oh, hey Bob ... we killed Steve again" ... it gets stale ...


I'm fairly certain it is more in the lines of "Hell, that guy over there knows his PvP. I might actually have to risk my ship to engage him!"

Spineless and hypocritical, that's what they are, most of them.



Much like those who think they shouldn't be affected by anyone else in the game, if they actually got some balls and took steps to protect themselves they wouldn't be such easy target. But then that takes effort, so not really an option for the entitlement crowd is it.


There is no bigger entitlement crowd than the so-called PvP Enthusiast, and you know it.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#74 - 2012-05-31 12:01:58 UTC
I don't think you should put a label on someone because of their geographic location.

If CCP want to 'fix' this problem, then I have a few suggestions:

1) Start all new players in 0.0 - let them 'fight' their way to 0.5 and higher - if they succeed, then they get their first month for free, and become immune to forum whiners, as they have 'earnt' their right to live in 0.5 and higher.
2) Do a /TR [player name] [solar system] on all 'alt' characters of alliance members to 0.0 - this will elliminate concerns about duplicity.
3) make all gates to 0.0 a one-way thing, as Concord will automatically assume you are not interested in living under any protection.
4) nullify all weapons in 0.5 and higher, except for war declarations and PvE.

only problem is: no one has any balls at CCP/CSM to put this through.

Maybe someone should call TomB...

AK

This space for rent.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#75 - 2012-05-31 12:04:00 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:

2. PVP Enthusiasts (pirates, thugs, insert expletive of the month here) need targets. People in high sec used to come through low sec and you'd occasionally get blown up at a gate camp. No one from hi sec comes to low sec anymore because it's not safe (I know, the horror!). Since the targets won't go to low sec, the PVP Enthusiasts will come to high sec. Because that's where the targets are.



This might sound like a groundbreaking concept right here, but stay with me. What if - what if - those low/null-sec "PvP enthusiasts" started to grow balls and started preying on each other instead of looking for easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec.

Unthinkable, I know. But just toss it around for a minute in your head.


But then their PVP safety rails would be removed and that would be unacceptable. Pay attention. We only want carebear safety rails to be removed.



This is total clueless bullshit. Sure, who wouldn't pop a random guy if the opportunity came, but rest assured that all these people that you call PVPers (I call them EVE players to separate them from hiseccers) live in whs, null and low and very much prefer to fight each others rather than defenseless failures.









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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#76 - 2012-05-31 12:05:02 UTC
Ten Bulls wrote:
Roime wrote:
Nobody hates hiseccers, but everybody loathes the whiny carebear forum poster who wants to ruin EVE.


Nobody hates PvPers, but everybody loathes the whiny ganktard forum poster who wants to ruin EVE.


+1 Lol

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Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2012-05-31 12:05:50 UTC
Roime wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:

2. PVP Enthusiasts (pirates, thugs, insert expletive of the month here) need targets. People in high sec used to come through low sec and you'd occasionally get blown up at a gate camp. No one from hi sec comes to low sec anymore because it's not safe (I know, the horror!). Since the targets won't go to low sec, the PVP Enthusiasts will come to high sec. Because that's where the targets are.



This might sound like a groundbreaking concept right here, but stay with me. What if - what if - those low/null-sec "PvP enthusiasts" started to grow balls and started preying on each other instead of looking for easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec.

Unthinkable, I know. But just toss it around for a minute in your head.


But then their PVP safety rails would be removed and that would be unacceptable. Pay attention. We only want carebear safety rails to be removed.



This is total clueless bullshit. Sure, who wouldn't pop a random guy if the opportunity came, but rest assured that all these people that you call PVPers (I call them EVE players to separate them from hiseccers) live in whs, null and low and very much prefer to fight each others rather than defenseless failures.











Lots of anger surfacing there mate.

Hit a nerve, did he??

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#78 - 2012-05-31 12:07:23 UTC
I still want to know why its impossible for miners to defend themselves...... Even if you can't dodge a gank, there are MANY measures you can take.

Here is a good one, mine in a lowsec pocket so you can freely shoot first to defend yourself, but pick one with a single gate, which should lead only to highsec.

Population is low enough to keep an eye on local, you can shoot first so you can set traps, and odds are good anyone you see just uses the system as a staging point for capitals they use elsewhere anyway. Safest lowsec systems I have found have all turned out to be capital staging points for various alliances.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Kougy
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2012-05-31 12:12:46 UTC
I dont know why people hate us so much, I just want to mine in peace darnit.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#80 - 2012-05-31 12:12:48 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Roime wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:

2. PVP Enthusiasts (pirates, thugs, insert expletive of the month here) need targets. People in high sec used to come through low sec and you'd occasionally get blown up at a gate camp. No one from hi sec comes to low sec anymore because it's not safe (I know, the horror!). Since the targets won't go to low sec, the PVP Enthusiasts will come to high sec. Because that's where the targets are.



This might sound like a groundbreaking concept right here, but stay with me. What if - what if - those low/null-sec "PvP enthusiasts" started to grow balls and started preying on each other instead of looking for easy targets that can't fight back from High-sec.

Unthinkable, I know. But just toss it around for a minute in your head.


But then their PVP safety rails would be removed and that would be unacceptable. Pay attention. We only want carebear safety rails to be removed.



This is total clueless bullshit. Sure, who wouldn't pop a random guy if the opportunity came, but rest assured that all these people that you call PVPers (I call them EVE players to separate them from hiseccers) live in whs, null and low and very much prefer to fight each others rather than defenseless failures.





Lots of anger surfacing there mate.

Hit a nerve, did he??


wut? Lol "This is total clueless bullshit." is anger to you? The posts are total clueless bullshit, no way around it.

Did you know that normal people who don't live in hisec rarely come there except when they need something from the hubs? And that the suicide ganker/wardeccer/trade hub can whore gang is just another breed of the hisec bear? They don't leave the safety of hisec either.



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