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Why the hate for Hi-Sec players?
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Velicitia
XS Tech
#21 - 2012-05-31 10:49:21 UTC
Drei Ontalas wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
You assume all Hi-Sec players = carebear sperglords likr yourself. The hate is directed at the whiners that want to change the game we've loved for years. Also the overwhelming influx of these whiners is worrying.

Eve is the last stronghold of worthwhile on-line gaming. Quiet simply, what they want is certain death for eve.


What do they want? and how will it kill EVE?


What they want: 100% safe "on rails" experience, with optional PvP (see: WoW, SWTOR, etc as examples of this type of gameplay).

Why it will kill EVE: Because once you put things "on rails", you kill the sandbox. The sandbox is the main reason that I (and many other people) came to this game.

Sure, "sandbox" means you can play however you want ... and mining "in safety" can be done. You just have to realize that everyone else logged in can ALSO play however they want.

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Drei Ontalas
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-05-31 10:50:09 UTC
Ludi Burek wrote:
Drei Ontalas wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
You assume all Hi-Sec players = carebear sperglords likr yourself. The hate is directed at the whiners that want to change the game we've loved for years. Also the overwhelming influx of these whiners is worrying.

Eve is the last stronghold of worthwhile on-line gaming. Quiet simply, what they want is certain death for eve.


What do they want? and how will it kill EVE?


Hello, freshly created troll alt. They want exactly what you typed up in your troll post Lol


Okay. So why is that a problem?

I'm not a troll, just new.
Ticarus Hellbrandt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-05-31 10:50:36 UTC
Eve is a pvp game, it doesnt do the economy any good having half the population sitting about running missions and never being blown up in years of playing.
Kathen Darkmoore
Brutor Tribe
#24 - 2012-05-31 10:52:16 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
"The whiny carebear that wants to destroy EVE" is the second biggest myth ever, right after Bigfoot. I've never seen one on these forums. What I do see, however, is a lot douchebaggy "PvPers" who wants to ruin EVE by idiotic ideas such as removal of local and High-sec areas.

The hate, in my eyes, is unwarranted and most often down right hypocritical.



^ This
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-05-31 10:52:17 UTC
Drei Ontalas wrote:
1. In these forums there appears to be this notion that Hi-sec players should move (by force or encouragement) to lower-sec space. Why?

If a player is happy mining scordite in 1.0 space why is that a problem?
If a player like to sit in Jita making trades why is that a problem?
If a player prefers to do hi-sec missions what is the problem?

2. I am genuinely interested in establishing where/how the hostility towards hi-sec comes from. From my admittedly limitedly experience it seems so come down to the EVE equivalent of "Mommy he won't play with me! Make him!"

Am I completely off the mark?



Don't generalise null sec mentality, but indeed some "all-day-nothing-to-do" nerds+a few no brains stated you are bad at this game if you're in high sec.

Nothing wrong, in every game you have this kind of mentality, just ignore them and do what you have to do.

brb
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2012-05-31 10:54:42 UTC
Because the PVPers somehow think they have the right to tell other people how to play a sandbox game. Notice that it's only PVPers bitching and that the carebears actually very rarely complain about anything (unless they got ganked in hi-sec).

More so I think the majority of these 'PVPers' that complain found out that they are worthless in any major battle and just want some easy targets in low-sec so they can at least kill something. But one does not simply kill a miner alone in hi-sec so they whine and ***** here :D.

As for the Goons trying to mess with hi-sec, it's just in their interest to kill as many Hulks as possible because they earn massive amounts of money for each one that gets replaced. It's business, nothing more.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#27 - 2012-05-31 10:56:22 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Because most of them want to change EvE Online into a Theme Park MMO.


Most?

How do you know?

This is not a signature.
Ludi Burek
Exit-Strategy
#28 - 2012-05-31 10:56:41 UTC
Drei Ontalas wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
Drei Ontalas wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
You assume all Hi-Sec players = carebear sperglords likr yourself. The hate is directed at the whiners that want to change the game we've loved for years. Also the overwhelming influx of these whiners is worrying.

Eve is the last stronghold of worthwhile on-line gaming. Quiet simply, what they want is certain death for eve.


What do they want? and how will it kill EVE?


Hello, freshly created troll alt. They want exactly what you typed up in your troll post Lol


Okay. So why is that a problem?

I'm not a troll, just new.



You tell me first why it isn't. Big smile
Drei Ontalas
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-05-31 10:58:28 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Drei Ontalas wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
You assume all Hi-Sec players = carebear sperglords likr yourself. The hate is directed at the whiners that want to change the game we've loved for years. Also the overwhelming influx of these whiners is worrying.

Eve is the last stronghold of worthwhile on-line gaming. Quiet simply, what they want is certain death for eve.


What do they want? and how will it kill EVE?


What they want: 100% safe "on rails" experience, with optional PvP (see: WoW, SWTOR, etc as examples of this type of gameplay).

Why it will kill EVE: Because once you put things "on rails", you kill the sandbox. The sandbox is the main reason that I (and many other people) came to this game.

Sure, "sandbox" means you can play however you want ... and mining "in safety" can be done. You just have to realize that everyone else logged in can ALSO play however they want.

CCP, Tyrannis Expansion wrote:
Your goals may align with some ... and with others, collide with the force of suns


I take your point about putting the game "on rails", but if CCP could get a giant chunk of cash by allowing Hi-sec to go "themepark" would that be too much of an intrusion into the sandbox nature of the game? After all Hi-Sec is a very small part of the EVE universe.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#30 - 2012-05-31 10:59:34 UTC
Drei Ontalas wrote:
1. In these forums there appears to be this notion that Hi-sec players should move (by force or encouragement) to lower-sec space. Why?

If a player is happy mining scordite in 1.0 space why is that a problem?
If a player like to sit in Jita making trades why is that a problem?
If a player prefers to do hi-sec missions what is the problem?

2. I am genuinely interested in establishing where/how the hostility towards hi-sec comes from. From my admittedly limitedly experience it seems so come down to the EVE equivalent of "Mommy he won't play with me! Make him!"

Am I completely off the mark?



If a player is happy mining scordite in 1.0 space why is that a problem? It isn't a problem
If a player like to sit in Jita making trades why is that a problem? It isn't a problem
If a player prefers to do hi-sec missions what is the problem? There isn't a problem.

As a response to part 2 of your question look at these forums and count the number of high sec residents screaming bloody murder that they should be 100% safe in high sec, lobbying CCP for a 100% safe high sec, and making ludicrous claims about other players violating the EULA.

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-05-31 11:01:34 UTC
It's not hate. It's the school bully who steals your lunch money because he can and noone in authority will do anything about it. That is what is going on here.

Don't ban me, bro!
Darth Kilth
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2012-05-31 11:02:40 UTC
If I read this topic right the general hatred against anyone who admits they are from hi-sec on these forums is because of a vocal minorty that is also from hi-sec?
That is pretty ******.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#33 - 2012-05-31 11:02:47 UTC
Drei Ontalas wrote:
1. In these forums there appears to be this notion that Hi-sec players should move (by force or encouragement) to lower-sec space. Why?

If a player is happy mining scordite in 1.0 space why is that a problem?
If a player like to sit in Jita making trades why is that a problem?
If a player prefers to do hi-sec missions what is the problem?

2. I am genuinely interested in establishing where/how the hostility towards hi-sec comes from. From my admittedly limitedly experience it seems so come down to the EVE equivalent of "Mommy he won't play with me! Make him!"

Am I completely off the mark?



It's not
It's not
It's not

The problem comes when they want to do those things while intervening in the market (selling their stuff) but without being able to have their activities interrupted. Then they whine that their activities are being interrupted.

The suggestion that people come out to Null comes out of an (at least partially-) honest impulse to show of the kind of fun we have.

But then they yelled at us for suggesting it, so we started shooting them.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Skorpynekomimi
#34 - 2012-05-31 11:04:25 UTC
Because they're an easy target. Most don't know how to defend themselves, or even that they CAN. They wouldn't know pvp if it hit them in the ass. Or WHEN it hits them in the ass.

Now, I live in highsec. I mine, I run missions, I trade, I manufacture. I also operate in lowsec and nullsec occasionally, and would leap into a wormhole if I could get out again reliably.
I spend most of my time in highsec because, frankly, it's an easy source of isk. However, I am not a carebear. I know the basics of pvp, and fitting. I tank my hulk. I tank my orca. I tank everything I fly that will take a tank and is worth bothering to tank. If I'm mining, I check dscan every so often, and watch local and my overview. I don't do anything totally afk. I may not be fully paying attention sometimes, but I'm not afk. I might be watching tv, or chatting on irc, or even making myself an omelette, but I keep an eye on things.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-05-31 11:05:10 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
It's not hate. It's the school bully who steals your lunch money because he can and noone in authority will do anything about it. That is what is going on here.


And it's an encouraged behaviour by the game mechanics in high sec. But seems Icelandic dictionary can't make the difference in between grieffing/bullying already so, we have to deal wiz it.

brb
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-05-31 11:07:08 UTC
Drei Ontalas wrote:
1. In these forums there appears to be this notion that Hi-sec players should move (by force or encouragement) to lower-sec space. Why?

If a player is happy mining scordite in 1.0 space why is that a problem?
If a player like to sit in Jita making trades why is that a problem?
If a player prefers to do hi-sec missions what is the problem?

2. I am genuinely interested in establishing where/how the hostility towards hi-sec comes from. From my admittedly limitedly experience it seems so come down to the EVE equivalent of "Mommy he won't play with me! Make him!"

Am I completely off the mark?


If people want to mine. Sure, go ahead.
If people do trades in hisec. Sure, no problem, heck, i've even done it (and would probably still doing it) myself.
No problem whatsoever for people who's doing missions. Go ahead.

The problem surfaces when people starts to whine on the forums, demanding that they should be able to do those things without any consequences whatsoever. Sure, people can go mine somewhere in hisec, but when people came and start shooting at them, can they get mad and butthurt over the loss? sure, but the instant they whine somewhere on the public forums, demanding that "this is my sandbox, i can do anything i want and you can't play with mine!" that; becomes a problem.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Velicitia
XS Tech
#37 - 2012-05-31 11:08:29 UTC
Drei Ontalas wrote:


I take your point about putting the game "on rails", but if CCP could get a giant chunk of cash by allowing Hi-sec to go "themepark" would that be too much of an intrusion into the sandbox nature of the game? After all Hi-Sec is a very small part of the EVE universe.


Yes. CCP would have to spend countless hours on more and more PvE content ... and the "sandbox" side would suffer for it.

If you want to see what EvE would be like with a "no PVP" zone, check out Sisi.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#38 - 2012-05-31 11:10:01 UTC
Darth Kilth wrote:
If I read this topic right the general hatred against anyone who admits they are from hi-sec on these forums is because of a vocal minorty that is also from hi-sec?
That is pretty ******.

No, its just that if you are not part of that vocal minority who want things that will ruin the game, you are not someone we would define as a highseccer.

Some of my best friends live in highsec Lol
Skorpynekomimi wrote:

Because they're an easy target. Most don't know how to defend themselves, or even that they CAN. They wouldn't know pvp if it hit them in the ass. Or WHEN it hits them in the ass.

Now, I live in highsec. I mine, I run missions, I trade, I manufacture. I also operate in lowsec and nullsec occasionally, and would leap into a wormhole if I could get out again reliably.
I spend most of my time in highsec because, frankly, it's an easy source of isk. However, I am not a carebear. I know the basics of pvp, and fitting. I tank my hulk. I tank my orca. I tank everything I fly that will take a tank and is worth bothering to tank. If I'm mining, I check dscan every so often, and watch local and my overview. I don't do anything totally afk. I may not be fully paying attention sometimes, but I'm not afk. I might be watching tv, or chatting on irc, or even making myself an omelette, but I keep an eye on things.


You are a carebear then, sorry. You are the GOOD kind of carebear tho, not the kind all the hate is aimed at. We want all the whiners to learn from people like you.

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-05-31 11:10:18 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Because most of them want to change EvE Online into a Theme Park MMO.

uhm.... FULL SCALE PVP Theme Park MMO.... sounds nice isn't it? Lol

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-05-31 11:12:55 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Kimmi Chan wrote:
If a player is happy mining scordite in 1.0 space why is that a problem? It isn't a problem
If a player like to sit in Jita making trades why is that a problem? It isn't a problem
If a player prefers to do hi-sec missions what is the problem? There isn't a problem.

As a response to part 2 of your question look at these forums and count the number of high sec residents screaming bloody murder that they should be 100% safe in high sec, lobbying CCP for a 100% safe high sec, and making ludicrous claims about other players violating the EULA.

If mining and missioning in hi sec aren't problems to these sociopaths, then why the incessant call to arms from the "hardcore PVPer" community to attack and kill them? Why the constant belligerence and belittling against them? Why the unfounded and deliberate accusations that carebears are greedy and stupid? Why the constant whining and crying about moving missions and anything remotely fun to them into lo/null sec? Why the constant whining that carebears should be kicked out of NPC corps and hi sec altogether?

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