EVE General Discussion

To fight them now just don't use exhumers and when they change what they are doing respond.

See I can see this probably sucks for those people out there who want to AFK mine or just mine in general - but I neither like or dislike Goonswarm...they are playing the game at end of day...and all I see is people whining but doing nothing about it.

All it takes is one smart player or corp to rally as many people and just hound down on the Goons...but from what ive seen it just isnt happening (mainly because people cant be bothered or no1 has stepped up to it...it will take work but can be done) - people are just venting on here because they are loosing Isk.

At end of the day....its a challenge, and Im sure if the Goons get there ass kicked then there will be a lot of mutual respect as people finally stopped whining and put a stop to it.

Dictators ect get beaten because people have had enough and rally together - not go on forums and complain about how much life sucks.

You know some pretty damn bizarre things that don't actually exist in our reality friend.

Also I don't want local gone, I don't want structure mails removed, and I don't have a strong opinion either way about directional scanners!

You see I don't agree with most of your 'given's'. You're suggesting these poor empire miners have no choice but to quit if they can't mine afk in their hulks ;_;

And you made another post:



Such as?



We've been bitching about supercaps since 2006. You can suggest a lot of things we're doing aren't consistent, but we've been pushing for them to not be game deciders for a long time. The Dev team agrees. Go to eve search and search for death to all titans. See who's name pops up and check the dates.





Baseless speculation.



You see this is where you break down as nothing but a shill who is just trying to yell as loud as he can instead of having a real discusssion. Come back when you decide to be real.

Sell me on the concept of removing local that doesn't decimate the population in nullsec. The benefits to living there aren't all that much of an improvement over empire.

True, partially. I'm not saying that someone flying an exhumer is a noob, although, their knowledge level of the game in its entirety might very well classify them as such. But, many new players come into the game and start mining as their first profession. With their potential mentors decimated, the learning curve becomes even steeper and therefore the game becomes more difficult. Those new players may very well decide on a different game to entertain themselves.

On the other hand, I know many exhumer pilots that I do consider noobs because they have not ventured out of hs because either they don't care to or they don't want to take on the time burden required in lo, null, w-space. I've also seen many of these folks leave the game in recent months due to a hs environment that no longer supports their game play style. One of my best in-game friends who is this type of player, I have not seen in weeks.

That you, or anyone else, may not be supportive of their style of game play is really a moot point. The effect is a loss of player base taking with it, in general, a willingness to nurture new players coming into this game with the same ideals. The net effect is to diminish the game, not enhance it.

I came into this game as a miner, as many do, later switching to pve/pvp. My switch was prompted by my complete boredom with mining. I'll never mine another roid. And this leads into the two points I've been trying to make here.

1) The current state adversely affects new players

and

2) Many players aren't going to endure the mindless nature of mining and/or tedium of crafting

The first point I've already addressed in this post. The second, I've already addressed in another post but to summarize it: the current prices are indicative of shortages. If those prices reach a point that substantially increases the time burden in this game, some of us won't produce minerals or build the ships to offset the increasing costs. We'll just move to something else. It is at this point that another group will make their exodus from the game. Even though I do not live in hs or game in hs, the current onslaught there is ultimately self-defeating for the game as a whole. That is because, without the industry types that thrive their or the new players who come into the game to pursue that line of game play, they won't be producing the minerals or the product to support the rest of us. Many of us have wanted a fix to mineral prices to support those players. That fix did not include pushing those players out of the game, which as far as I can see is exactly what is happening. Have you been to Jita lately? I came out of 4-4 last night. There were 4 industrials on the overview when I undocked. Beyond the infantile lulz of the goons' actions there, it's very disturbing and foreboding for the future of the game.

And to further elaborate on the second point, if this is an attempt by goons to corner markets and reap excessive profits, so be it. The great thing about this game that does not follow real life is that I can choose to extricate myself from it to pursue my entertainment elsewhere. Goons can have it all as far as I'm concerned. Then they can start eating each other as they are the new players and those other players that don't care to play the game the way goons do. I'm not here to make Eve the game I want to play. I'm here because until lately, the game has been the game I've wanted to play. It's CCP's job to make a game that appeals to the widest audience. That they're taking a laissez faire approach to that goal is disturbing. And so, they can reap what they have sown. I just hope that the current direction doesn't force me to move on to something else since I have spent a huge amount of time playing this game over the years and have enjoyed it. Then again, I can see the writing on the wall as it pertains to the current direction.

Why was this thread created? Is EVE dying?

Here's my FACT OF THE DAY, exclusively for you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q1lrH_B-VI

This video shows the original incarnation of horribly overpowered titans in early 2009, with 27 of them AoE doomsdaying a carrier to death on TQ. It served as inspiration for CCP to look at rebalancing supercaps later that year, and was staged specificially to achieve that aim.
The event was organised by a coalition of alliances friendly to Goonswarm, with several Goonswarm titans (2 of which were flown by me).

Why?

Because even when we're part of a coalition capable of instantly-killing ENTIRE CAPITAL FLEETS with one button push, we still want that broken **** nerfed. I-win buttons are no fun for anyone but the people flying them.

That's all, feel free to return to your regularly scheduled mouthbreathing.

Null has a population?

Twice the size of Empire and 1/5 the population sounds really full out there.

Hehe this is one of the funniest posts I've read in all my time lurking on the Eve-O forums...