EVE General Discussion

Nobody has made a compelling case why you should be able to afk mine in empire in an expensive pimped out super ore sucker in complete safety. We get you wanna do it, we get that you not being able to do it is hurting your video game experience. Our counter is "You shouldn't be able to do anything in complete safety in this game and if you thought you could then your understanding of the game is fundamentally flawed."

And who exactly is making that claim? Forget about the broad stroke you wave at anyone in high sec, but please name some specific people.

What makes someone draw ******** conclusions like that? Like op I also think this will kill eve, and I am by no means crying or losing seeing as I have more covetor bpos then I can handle atm :)
I am like Charlie Sheen, winning. However I'm not certain its good for the game in the long run.

Edit: Rephrase

I did what I wanted. I pointed out that people were making the claim that you shouldn't be able to do what we're doing or that it's having an impact that should be stopped by game administrators. The crux of the issue is losing hulks in empire to gankers, is it not? We've given ways around losing your expensive ship including the not so far out recommendation that the pilot uses a ship that doesn't have such a massive X on its back. I don't feel the need to point out specific posters making claims that they should be able to rat in peace in their hulk because if you click on a random thread in this forum right now chances are you'll pick one making that exact case.

I notice you're making the claim that those could be our alts making that case! If so then it's a non issue and we should all disregard and continue blowing up hulks. The other possibility is that they are actually very very mad and they truly feel that way.

No, and this is a basic divide between 2 blocks that seem unable to talk each other, each well entrenched in their ideology.

Let me try shed some light on it with the next quote.




Just because I am bored I will toss up an easy argument. Ofc I don't believe for a second you and your alliance will agree on it.

There are 3 broad categories of players.


1) The big mouthed forum warriors

2) The hard cores (PVP but also PvE)

3) The soft core + casuals (PvE but also PvP)


The 1) are just here to waste their and others time, usually their nose is deep brown and they are easily puppeted by somebody else smarter. They are less relevant than they believe to be but still quite useful to make CCP well famous on the internet.

2) The hard cores tend to be more of the alpha male type, have lots of time at hand, want to achieve something specific, will often take shortcuts and walk on warm corpses to get it. They are also the "predator" type.

3) The soft cores are way more relaxed, take their time, don't care to be unique and shiny Champions Of The Cause, are more of the passive type, they are possibly employees with RL stuff to deal with. They are also the "prey" type. Yes I DO know that it's not so clear cut and there's a whole "cloud" of combinations between 2 and 3 but I am making an example.


2 not only prey on 3 but as "cure" to 3 situation they teasingly suggest that 3 become alpha males.
But changing what in the end is the out of game personality is not easy nor automatic. Some 3 will "switch" into "3 with teeth", for self preservation if nothing else but that's it.

Now what's actually happening to EvE?

Before:

Hi sec was full of 3 (both PvP and PvE) with a minority of unorganized 2. Being unorganized, 2 would prey on 3 on a "tolerable" amount and were "alone" at doing that.

Once a year, an event would boost 2 to organized and "not alone any longer" status. 3 would have to sustain an hard core-ship they hated but they had the prospect of "well, let's endure this crap for 1 month, EvE is worth it".


After:
Hi sec is still full of 3 (both PvP and PvE) but now 2 are permanently organized, subsidized, have a welfare ship system and have super heavy external support from expert PvPers.

At this point, 3 have no choice. Some of them will indeed become "3 with teeth" but it's a borderline case (you can seek on psychology material about these mechanics) but all the others will not believe "EvE is worth it" any more.



All of this, without any need to talk about tank, about professions, about anything.

Once all the bad fitted miners will be out, it will be the turn of the 20 EHP ones to be farmed till they decide to give up. They cannot move to 0.0 as it's beyond their time limits and frankly, it's an unappealing place to live in for them. Else they'd be there already.

Once the 20 EHP miners will be out, it will be the turn of haulers and then of Tengu players and then...

All of those will have a minority switching to "3 with teeth" while all the others leave.

At the same time, new players will keep trickling in. Maybe they will be enough to counter the loss of 3 but most will be 3 themselves.


The end result is: CFC as only ruler in 0.0, dictating the markets in prominent commodities.
2 will live in 0.0 or hi sec and will have only the newbies left to kill.

I am sure you love this outcome, many won't be here to attend your crown day though.

Not saying EvE will be dead. Not saying EvE will be bad.
EvE will be for an elite player base most won't want to be part of.

Sandbox and all but let's face it, given the support skills needed to fly exhumers properly they are not intended for new players.

Can any goon tell me how many JF's filled with hulks/hulk mats are shipped from goonieland to Jita every day ?

For those nay sayers that says ccp wont make changes to the grifers let me point out something!

before : Caps in hi sec.
after the cryers Caps in 00 only

before : missles king of pvp
after : nerfed into history

before : blasters pvpers weapon of choise.
after : nerfed to almost uselessness

before : speed tanked ships.
after : nerfed to useless.

So if the outcry contuines ccp will do something about it history of the game proves it.

Just launched a new venture: Hulk Insurance Services
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115786&find=unread

Pretty straightforward. Zero-risk, your premium refunded to you at any time of your choosing.

My greatest desire in this game is to see Goonswarm wiped off the map permanently. It would take the combined effort of every major alliance in this game to get the job done though and unfortunately due to null-security politics that'll probably never happen.

And my oh my what a war it would be. I am a firm believer that Goonswarm has become too big a threat to be ignored any longer. However there exists no entity in New Eden presently that could challenge Goonswarm directly. There exists no coalition capable of it either at the moment.