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CCP needs to take a hard look at Goonswarm and Hulkageddon to save EVE.
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Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris
#221 - 2012-05-31 03:46:55 UTC
Durgain wrote:
Eve's subscriptions have been declining actually. :P
Source for this? And no, your ass doesn't count.
Durgain wrote:
Also, when I joined this game I was told that it was pretty much on online space life simulator, not that people would go around making other's lives miserable because that's there bases to blow up there ego.
ah, so you didn't really understand what EvE is all about?

Got it.
Frying Doom
#222 - 2012-05-31 03:48:01 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Torvin Yulus wrote:
Johnny Rook wrote:
Durgain wrote:
Blah ******* blah


I preferred badass durgain, he would ***** slap the **** out of you for being such a giant weeping vagina.


im sorry i spent money on Eve to have fun. You only exist to grief me, I am paying customer.

Sorry I have to answer this one.

You are a paying customer....

So is everyone else. Why should your playing be more important than mine?

Concord exists to make ganking someone part of risk vs reward. Eve is not a PvP game, it is a game with a player driven economy. If the economy says Hi-sec miners need to die. Then die they shall.


Whatever happened to the frothing at the mouth Frying Doom that used to post? Did he get sold?

There are alot of issues I'm happy to froth at the mouth over.

I am perfectly happy to tell members of goonswarm or anyone else to get there own tinfoil. I will attack and agitate for what I believe to be right and I will be happy to Meta game to bring down those who disagree with my points of view.

But I cannot in all good conscious stand by while people try to turn EvE into a space version of WoW when it is so obvious that they do not even know whats going on. This matter is far more of a priority to my dislike of Goonsheep.

Looking forward to going rabid on another topic as soon as possible. (Sanity is highly over rated)

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#223 - 2012-05-31 03:49:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Durgain wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Durgain wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Durgain wrote:
Lets go over a couple things.

A: A miner, mining ore in highsec isn't doing anything illegal
B: A suicide ganker in highsec IS doing something illegal, (otherwise concord wouldn't respond at all)

These 2 points alone invalidate your entire argument.

A: Again, a miner isn't disturbing anyone elses gameplay, nor causing problems or loss of time invested on anyone elses account.
B: A ganker IS causing a loss of time, IS disturbing anothers gamesplay, and is generally being a nuisance.

Can you see who would get the penalties here? I think they taught this to most of us in gradeschool.
Just in case you missed all of that.


Not a damn thing in any post you have made here means anything because you fail to recognize and acknowledge the fact that PVP IN EVE IS NOT OPTIONAL. Repeat this to yourself as many times as it takes to get it through your head.

PVP IN EVE IS NOT OPTIONAL.

Until you can come to terms with this fact there is little point in continuing to trade words with you.

Enjoy your day.


Again, why isn't it?
Ohhh, wait, because it would ruin "your" fun.
I guess that makes it ok for you to ruin other peoples fun.
and the scary part of that whole senario is. you probably think that's true.


Actually PVP in EVE is not optional because the game is designed that way from the ground up, and is one of the main corner stones of it's appeal.

The question is, considering how well advertised this fact is, why did you sign up to play a PVPcentric game when you really don't want it to be this way?

Suicide ganking isn't "breaking the rules", it is actually a very carefully integrated part of the rules.

It would be simplicity itself to make it so that you can not activate weapons in high sec. CCP avoids this like the plague because, wisely, they understand that if they did so EVE would become just another generic game. Popularity "might" briefly spike, but would then be followed by inevitable decline into obscurity.

You really need to understand that the mining profession is not, and never has been, to simply go about gathering ore.

The mining profession is about gathering your ore in a non-combat ship while using your player skill to avoid or if necessary survive combat situations.

Unless you come to grips with this fundamental concept your days as an EVE player are numbered. Fortunately for us, EVE's continually rising subscription numbers show that there are an ever increasing number of people out there that DO get it.


Eve's subscriptions have been declining actually. :P
But your right, my days playing are probably numbered, since there's not much left for me to do unless i decide to go pvp.
Also, when I joined this game I was told that it was pretty much on online space life simulator, not that people would go around making other's lives miserable because that's there bases to blow up there ego.



You appear to be sadly misinformed on all counts. Blink

Annually EVE's subscriptions continue to rise, as they have year after year.

While EVE is an online space life simulator, it is life in an extremely harsh universe. You appear to have completely overlooked the most important bits, and much of the point of pretty much every EVE ad out there.

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Durgain
State War Academy
Caldari State
#224 - 2012-05-31 03:51:29 UTC
Pesky LaRue wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
When you get right down to it, the fact that emotionally charged threads like this one are being created at such a frantic pace is proof positive that CCP is doing something very, very right. Smile
Damn you and your unflinching logic.


Ummm, wow has threads like this, every mmo does, even the bad ones :P
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris
#225 - 2012-05-31 03:52:44 UTC
Durgain wrote:
Pesky LaRue wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
When you get right down to it, the fact that emotionally charged threads like this one are being created at such a frantic pace is proof positive that CCP is doing something very, very right. Smile
Damn you and your unflinching logic.


Ummm, wow has threads like this, every mmo does, even the bad ones :P
...did I say something to the contrary?

my point was that Ranger1 had used his Magic Shield of Logic +5 to demonstrate the fallacies in some of hte arguments in this thread.

Which part of that was confusing for you?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#226 - 2012-05-31 03:54:53 UTC
Durgain wrote:
Pesky LaRue wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
When you get right down to it, the fact that emotionally charged threads like this one are being created at such a frantic pace is proof positive that CCP is doing something very, very right. Smile
Damn you and your unflinching logic.


Ummm, wow has threads like this, every mmo does, even the bad ones :P


In most MMO's when a frenzy of posts like this hits the forums in force, as is the case here, it is in conjunction with a decline in subscriptions. Quite the opposite of what is occurring here.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#227 - 2012-05-31 03:55:25 UTC
Torvin Yulus wrote:
Durgain wrote:

Again, why isn't it?
Ohhh, wait, because it would ruin "your" fun.
I guess that makes it ok for you to ruin other peoples fun.
and the scary part of that whole senario is. you probably thing that's true.


I agree PVP is optional thats why theres concord.


.....

Really now.

The fact that you're here crying like a little ***** tells me otherwise.

I know you don't believe your own **** posting. No one can be that blatantly stupid.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#228 - 2012-05-31 04:00:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kimmi Chan
Durgain wrote:
Eve's subscriptions have been declining actually. :P


Please cite your source of this information. I call Bull****.

Durgain wrote:
But your right, my days playing are probably numbered, since there's not much left for me to do unless i decide to go pvp.


This also is false. You can do whatever you want. It is a sandbox after all. By all means do you mining and building but you must understand that at anytime you could be a target. You don't have to go PVP. Sometime the PVP will come to you. Big smile Is it unfortunate? Maybe, but it is the nature of the game.

Durgain wrote:
Also, when I joined this game I was told that it was pretty much on online space life simulator, not that people would go around making other's lives miserable because that's there bases to blow up there ego.


It is an online space life simulator but space is dangerous and there are many out there that will lie, cheat, steal, and kill to get ahead. Again it is unfortunate but it is what it is.

Look, I in no way want to discourage anyone from playing this game. I love the game and have met a lot of great people playing it. But you have to understand what is going on in here. While you might be able to alt-tab in FFXIV without consequences, doing that here can and will get you killed. You have to pay attention. PVP is not optional. What is optional is how you deal with it. Pay attention and play the game. Resign yourself to the fact that you could be exploded at any time - it will happen. Take a deep breath, assess what you did wrong, and learn from it. You might actually find it fun and compelling or you may hate it and be inclined to move on. Your call.

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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#229 - 2012-05-31 04:09:27 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:


Whatever happened to the frothing at the mouth Frying Doom that used to post? Did he get sold?

There are alot of issues I'm happy to froth at the mouth over.

I am perfectly happy to tell members of goonswarm or anyone else to get there own tinfoil. I will attack and agitate for what I believe to be right and I will be happy to Meta game to bring down those who disagree with my points of view.

But I cannot in all good conscious stand by while people try to turn EvE into a space version of WoW when it is so obvious that they do not even know whats going on. This matter is far more of a priority to my dislike of Goonsheep.

Looking forward to going rabid on another topic as soon as possible. (Sanity is highly over rated)


The enemy of my enemy is my friend. *shudder*

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#230 - 2012-05-31 04:10:06 UTC
Just wanted to point out that Fatal Ascension, a fairly large member of the CFC, is what you get when carebears try to fight. After all, we started out as a carebear alliance and had to grow some teeth to survive.

Maybe the other carebears should learn something from this Pirate

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Durgain
State War Academy
Caldari State
#231 - 2012-05-31 04:12:16 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Durgain wrote:
Eve's subscriptions have been declining actually. :P


Please cite your source of this information. I call Bull****.

Durgain wrote:
But your right, my days playing are probably numbered, since there's not much left for me to do unless i decide to go pvp.


This also is false. You can do whatever you want. It is a sandbox after all. By all means do you mining and building but you must understand that at anytime you could be a target. You don't have to go PVP. Sometime the PVP will come to you. Big smile Is it unfortunate? Maybe, but it is the nature of the game.

Durgain wrote:
Also, when I joined this game I was told that it was pretty much on online space life simulator, not that people would go around making other's lives miserable because that's there bases to blow up there ego.


It is an online space life simulator but space is dangerous and there are many out there that will lie, cheat, steal, and kill to get ahead. Again it is unfortunate but it is what it is.

Look, I in no way want to discourage anyone from playing this game. I love the game and have met a lot of great people playing it. But you have to understand what is going on in here. While you might be able to alt-tab in FFXIV without consequences, doing that here can and will get you killed. You have to pay attention. PVP is not optional. What is optional is how you deal with it. Pay attention and play the game. Resign yourself to the fact that you could be exploded at any time - it will happen. Take a deep breath, assess what you did wrong, and learn from it. You might actually find it fun and compelling or you may hate it and be inclined to move on. Your call.


I don't really play it seriously as it is, when you find yourself mainly logging in to update your skillqueue there's not much left to do. I just liked mining because it was something I could do while I was raiding, or whatever i happened to be doing at the time.

Don't even really haveta mission if you don't want to, just spend 40 bucks, buy 2 plex, and sell em for 400m a pop, and you can afford whatever ship you want (assuming your stuck in highsec like me)

It's not worth using a jump clone to explore lowsec because of a loss of skill time from the loss of implants, so that's out too.

I donno, I'm probably just gonna seriously consider wether it's worth continueing to play this or moving on.

WoW expansion and GW2's on the horizon, and I still haven't finished all the difficulties of D3.
Frying Doom
#232 - 2012-05-31 04:13:09 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Just wanted to point out that Fatal Ascension, a fairly large member of the CFC, is what you get when carebears try to fight. After all, we started out as a carebear alliance and had to grow some teeth to survive.

Maybe the other carebears should learn something from this Pirate

I know stop paying the CFC to kill them:)

If you look at it, it really is as funny as hell, people are effectively putting contacts out on them selves and then complaining about it.

Stop paying your own Hitmen. Just say No to T2Big smile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#233 - 2012-05-31 04:22:21 UTC
Durgain wrote:


I just liked mining because it was something I could do while I was raiding, or whatever i happened to be doing at the time.


I gotta ask.

Would you go afk in a WoW pvp server, out in the middle of a contested zone, get killed, and then go to the forums and ***** about it?

Cause that's what you're doing here.

You're afk mining in a FFA pvp game, while you raid in WoW, and you have a problem with getting ganked?

I'm trying not to be to big a **** here, but holy **** man, is a little common sense to much to ask?
Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#234 - 2012-05-31 04:22:31 UTC
Wow, lots of pages since i left. :)

PvP is optional. Way back a few pages, whatshisface continues to insist that even miners are pvping when they are selling ore on the market because that goes towards PvP.

But one seems to forget that those ships and mods built can and are used for PvE purposes, and a person could theoretically mine and build their own ships for their own use for PvE.

The only real Valid reason people can suggest that PvP is not optional is the fact that eve gives people the ability to shoot at each other. But its the person's choice to shoot at another person.

0.0 can be used to get anything and everything you can get from hi sec and more, aside from missions. At least when it comes to Sovereignty. The only reason for people to oppose some "fix" for ganking is the fact that they can't stand the idea of actually using their space to get the same things they get in hi-sec.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#235 - 2012-05-31 04:25:55 UTC
Spikeflach wrote:
Wow, lots of pages since i left. :)

PvP is optional. Way back a few pages, whatshisface continues to insist that even miners are pvping when they are selling ore on the market because that goes towards PvP.

But one seems to forget that those ships and mods built can and are used for PvE purposes, and a person could theoretically mine and build their own ships for their own use for PvE.

The only real Valid reason people can suggest that PvP is not optional is the fact that eve gives people the ability to shoot at each other. But its the person's choice to shoot at another person.

0.0 can be used to get anything and everything you can get from hi sec and more, aside from missions. At least when it comes to Sovereignty. The only reason for people to oppose some "fix" for ganking is the fact that they can't stand the idea of actually using their space to get the same things they get in hi-sec.


Why do you feel that miners are entitled to mine is space without incurring the risk of having the ships blown up?

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Durgain
State War Academy
Caldari State
#236 - 2012-05-31 04:26:28 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Durgain wrote:


I just liked mining because it was something I could do while I was raiding, or whatever i happened to be doing at the time.


I gotta ask.

Would you go afk in a WoW pvp server, out in the middle of a contested zone, get killed, and then go to the forums and ***** about it?

Cause that's what you're doing here.

You're afk mining in a FFA pvp game, while you raid in WoW, and you have a problem with getting ganked?

I'm trying not to be to big a **** here, but holy **** man, is a little common sense to much to ask?






Highsec isn't really a contested zone :P
and I've never gotten ganked mining, I just find it wrong that people would support a community that goes after the essentually harmless and defenseless.
There was a political commercial recently where they where talking about obama's healthcare with some guy wheeling an old lady through the woods, at the end of the commercial he tosses her over a cliff.
That's pretty much what goodsquad is promoting and people are happy about, if you take the time to think about it.
I donno if I want to be part of a group of people that finds that amusing.
Durgain
State War Academy
Caldari State
#237 - 2012-05-31 04:27:28 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Spikeflach wrote:
Wow, lots of pages since i left. :)

PvP is optional. Way back a few pages, whatshisface continues to insist that even miners are pvping when they are selling ore on the market because that goes towards PvP.

But one seems to forget that those ships and mods built can and are used for PvE purposes, and a person could theoretically mine and build their own ships for their own use for PvE.

The only real Valid reason people can suggest that PvP is not optional is the fact that eve gives people the ability to shoot at each other. But its the person's choice to shoot at another person.

0.0 can be used to get anything and everything you can get from hi sec and more, aside from missions. At least when it comes to Sovereignty. The only reason for people to oppose some "fix" for ganking is the fact that they can't stand the idea of actually using their space to get the same things they get in hi-sec.


Why do you feel that miners are entitled to mine is space without incurring the risk of having the ships blown up?


why do you assume there's no risk while mining? I don't know of a single asteriod belt without rats of some form, and the better the roids, the worse the rats.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#238 - 2012-05-31 04:29:20 UTC
Spikeflach wrote:
Wow, lots of pages since i left. :)

PvP is optional. Way back a few pages, whatshisface continues to insist that even miners are pvping when they are selling ore on the market because that goes towards PvP.

But one seems to forget that those ships and mods built can and are used for PvE purposes, and a person could theoretically mine and build their own ships for their own use for PvE.

The only real Valid reason people can suggest that PvP is not optional is the fact that eve gives people the ability to shoot at each other. But its the person's choice to shoot at another person.

0.0 can be used to get anything and everything you can get from hi sec and more, aside from missions. At least when it comes to Sovereignty. The only reason for people to oppose some "fix" for ganking is the fact that they can't stand the idea of actually using their space to get the same things they get in hi-sec.


Nice attempt at twisting non consensual pvp around to try and convince everyone who obviously seems to get it more then you that pvp in EVE has never been a consensual affair.

You're right, it's optional, because we all have the option to do it or avoid it. However, that has **** to do with it being consensual.

EVE is, and always has been, free for all pvp. The entire economy DEPENDS on that. It won't work without it. You can not have an area of space were you can not be destroyed. It would destroy the entire economy of EVE.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#239 - 2012-05-31 04:29:39 UTC
Durgain wrote:

why do you assume there's no risk while mining? I don't know of a single asteriod belt without rats of some form, and the better the roids, the worse the rats.


No risk from other players. And rats aren't a risk. I know you'd like to think they are, but when I can throw a tanked T1 cruiser hull into a belt for 6 hours and 3 BS rats barely even scratch it: It's not a risk.

If all rats had sleeper AI, and say... decent fits, you may have some kind of argument.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#240 - 2012-05-31 04:30:50 UTC
Durgain wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Durgain wrote:


I just liked mining because it was something I could do while I was raiding, or whatever i happened to be doing at the time.


I gotta ask.

Would you go afk in a WoW pvp server, out in the middle of a contested zone, get killed, and then go to the forums and ***** about it?

Cause that's what you're doing here.

You're afk mining in a FFA pvp game, while you raid in WoW, and you have a problem with getting ganked?

I'm trying not to be to big a **** here, but holy **** man, is a little common sense to much to ask?






Highsec isn't really a contested zone :P
and I've never gotten ganked mining, I just find it wrong that people would support a community that goes after the essentually harmless and defenseless.
There was a political commercial recently where they where talking about obama's healthcare with some guy wheeling an old lady through the woods, at the end of the commercial he tosses her over a cliff.
That's pretty much what goodsquad is promoting and people are happy about, if you take the time to think about it.
I donno if I want to be part of a group of people that finds that amusing.


It's a FFA pvp game. You don't have to like it, but that's the reality of it. The game is built around that single premise. Ships MUST be destroyed, everywhere. The game is dependant upon that singular fact.