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CCP needs to take a hard look at Goonswarm and Hulkageddon to save EVE.
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Durgain

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#201 - 2012-05-31 02:42:51 UTC | Edited by: Durgain

Kimmi Chan wrote:

Durgain wrote:

Kimmi Chan wrote:

Durgain wrote:

Your right, I'm not

Ladies and gentlemen, he understands the concept now.

Durgain wrote:

Said gunman knows that if he where to shoot me he's going to die and he's never comming back, so there's no profit in him killing me, he's just dead, as well as me, a noname stranger who had nothing to do with him.there's no such penalty in eve, and there needs to be.

What you are suggesting is that the suicide ganker and the miner should both be dead and their game be over. No pods, no clones, no mas tequila. I think you may have a difficult time getting this mechanic changed.

Nice editing of lines.

Unfortunetly, I'm pretty sure i'm not talking about permadeath, but for every action there should be reprocussions. Since eve doesn't allow a character to permanetly die, for obvious reasons, they need a different solution.

Some simple ones would be to make sure that players don't get insurance on concord killed ships (assuming they do)
A period of days where the attacking pilot can't enter highspace without getting killed by concord (not minutes)
and concord podding players attacking others in highsec while there clone is automatically set somewhere in low/null sec.

there'd most likely be a sharp decrease in suicide ganking after that.

1. Some simple ones would be to make sure that players don't get insurance on concord killed ships

This nerf has already been implemented thanks to whining similar to yours. And yet as James 315 has stated again and again this is not enough. Miners want more to the detriment of the game as a whole.

2. A period of days where the attacking pilot can't enter highspace without getting killed by concord (not minutes)

In the interest of balance if a miner mines for more than an hour/day they are immediately GCCd for the same number of days. (Balance you know if gankers can't play their game neither can miners)

3. and concord podding players attacking others in highsec while there clone is automatically set somewhere in low/null sec.

Characters owning an Exhumer not able to purchase clones in high sec.

Once again you make these demands based on your fundamental belief that PVP should be optional. It isn't and we have already gone through this ad nauseum.

So instead you want to stack the deck in your favor. Tell me this sir. Why is it that you feel entitled to mine in space with no risk and no consequences? Hell even mission runners have a chance of being blown up. I know I was a high sec mission runner for four years and then discovered the forums and saw all the whining and complaining and bitching and thought, "WTF are these people bitching about?"

Lets go over a couple things.

A: A miner, mining ore in highsec isn't doing anything illegal
B: A suicide ganker in highsec IS doing something illegal, (otherwise concord wouldn't respond at all)

These 2 points alone invalidate your entire argument.

A: Again, a miner isn't disturbing anyone elses gameplay, nor causing problems or loss of time invested on anyone elses account.
B: A ganker IS causing a loss of time, IS disturbing anothers gamesplay, and is generally being a nuisance.

Can you see who would get the penalties here? I think they taught this to most of us in gradeschool.
Just in case you missed all of that.

Ohhh, and I should point out that there is risk while mining, since belts have rats, which hulks are ill equip to handle, outside of drones.

Kimmi Chan

Tastes Like Purple

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#202 - 2012-05-31 02:48:24 UTC

Durgain wrote:

Not a damn thing in any post you have made here means anything because you fail to recognize and acknowledge the fact that PVP IN EVE IS NOT OPTIONAL. Repeat this to yourself as many times as it takes to get it through your head.

PVP IN EVE IS NOT OPTIONAL.

Until you can come to terms with this fact there is little point in continuing to trade words with you.

Enjoy your day.

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Johnny Rook Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel Likes received: 47	#203 - 2012-05-31 02:48:45 UTC \| Edited by: Johnny Rook 1 Durgain wrote: Blah ***** blah I preferred badass durgain, he would * slap the ** out of you for being such a giant weeping vagina.

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Torvin Yulus Doomheim Likes received: 122	#204 - 2012-05-31 02:51:32 UTC Johnny Rook wrote: Durgain wrote: Blah ***** blah I preferred badass durgain, he would * slap the ** out of you for being such a giant weeping vagina. im sorry i spent money on Eve to have fun. You only exist to grief me, I am paying customer. im a pubby and im proud

Durgain

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#205 - 2012-05-31 02:54:11 UTC

Kimmi Chan wrote:

Durgain wrote:

Again, why isn't it?
Ohhh, wait, because it would ruin "your" fun.
I guess that makes it ok for you to ruin other peoples fun.
and the scary part of that whole senario is. you probably think that's true.


Torvin Yulus Doomheim Likes received: 122	#206 - 2012-05-31 02:55:11 UTC Durgain wrote: Again, why isn't it? Ohhh, wait, because it would ruin "your" fun. I guess that makes it ok for you to ruin other peoples fun. and the scary part of that whole senario is. you probably thing that's true. I agree PVP is optional thats why theres concord. im a pubby and im proud

Johnny Rook

Beyond Divinity Inc

Shadow Cartel

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#207 - 2012-05-31 03:05:56 UTC

Durgain wrote:

This is a sandbox game, based around a market that requires loss to keep it moving. Once you remove the chance of loss but still allow people to participate in the market you create an imbalance. If you are smart you can minimize loss/risk, however I see this is not an option for you.

Torvin Yulus

Doomheim

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#208 - 2012-05-31 03:06:39 UTC

Johnny Rook wrote:

Durgain wrote:

You're wrong I can always find someone to buy my stuf.

im a pubby and im proud

Johnny Rook

Beyond Divinity Inc

Shadow Cartel

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#209 - 2012-05-31 03:09:37 UTC

Torvin Yulus wrote:

Johnny Rook wrote:

Durgain wrote:

You're wrong I can always find someone to buy my stuf.

I hear ur stuf is da best tho m8

InternetSpaceship

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#210 - 2012-05-31 03:13:14 UTC

Drax Dremal wrote:

Goonswarm is bot moon mining, bot ice mining and bot ore mining. They have enouph protection to be emune from Hulkageddon so they decided to get rid of the high sec competition. CCP you need to take a hard stance against Goonswarm to save EVE and your jobs. I know this is a sandbox, but if the the sandbox fills up with **** you need to throw it out and get new sand.

Goonswarm what are you going to to do when only pirates are playing and the player base is so low EVE dies a slow death like Star Wars. The only reason you are so big is because of high sec and the carebears. Carebears give you and other pirates something to fight against. When carebears are gone who are you going to fight then? I think your going to be playing with yourself!!

Goonswarm do you think EVE cant die? I played in Star Wars from its start until it died. At its high point it was way more popular than EVE will ever be. We thought it could never die. Another game designer is going see that EVE is weak and create another similar game. When it does carebears and your pirate members are going to leave EVE in droves. When it does CCP and Goonswarm are going to be crying!

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Look how seriously you take your spaceship game. This is seriously a big deal to you.

What would I do if Eve died? Play something else. Eve isn't my life, as hard as that might be to understand. It is actually a tiny and pretty unimportant part of my life. Fun yes, meaningful no.

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Durgain

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#211 - 2012-05-31 03:20:38 UTC

InternetSpaceship wrote:

Drax Dremal wrote:

I was actually playing FFXIV while reading the forums :)

Frying Doom

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#212 - 2012-05-31 03:27:08 UTC | Edited by: Frying Doom

Torvin Yulus wrote:

Johnny Rook wrote:

Durgain wrote:

Blah ******* blah

I preferred badass durgain, he would ***** slap the **** out of you for being such a giant weeping vagina.

im sorry i spent money on Eve to have fun. You only exist to grief me, I am paying customer.

Sorry I have to answer this one.

You are a paying customer....

So is everyone else. Why should your playing be more important than mine?

Concord exists to make ganking someone part of risk vs reward. Eve is not a PvP game, it is a game with a player driven economy. If the economy says Hi-sec miners need to die. Then die they shall.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Alia Gon'die

Outer Ring Applied Logistics

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#213 - 2012-05-31 03:34:07 UTC

Frying Doom wrote:

Torvin Yulus wrote:

Johnny Rook wrote:

Durgain wrote:

Blah ******* blah

I preferred badass durgain, he would ***** slap the **** out of you for being such a giant weeping vagina.

im sorry i spent money on Eve to have fun. You only exist to grief me, I am paying customer.

Whatever happened to the frothing at the mouth Frying Doom that used to post? Did he get sold?

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Ranger 1

Ranger Corp

Vae. Victis.

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#215 - 2012-05-31 03:38:58 UTC | Edited by: Ranger 1

Durgain wrote:

Kimmi Chan wrote:

Durgain wrote:

Actually PVP in EVE is not optional because the game is designed that way from the ground up, and is one of the main corner stones of it's appeal.

The question is, considering how well advertised this fact is, why did you sign up to play a PVPcentric game when you really don't want it to be this way?

Suicide ganking isn't "breaking the rules", it is actually a very carefully integrated part of the rules.

It would be simplicity itself to make it so that you can not activate weapons in high sec. CCP avoids this like the plague because, wisely, they understand that if they did so EVE would become just another generic game. Popularity "might" briefly spike, but would then be followed by inevitable decline into obscurity.

You really need to understand that the mining profession is not, and never has been, to simply go about gathering ore.

The mining profession is about gathering your ore in a non-combat ship while using your player skill to avoid or if necessary survive combat situations.

Unless you come to grips with this fundamental concept your days as an EVE player are numbered. Fortunately for us, EVE's continually rising subscription numbers show that there are an ever increasing number of people out there that DO get it.

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InternetSpaceship

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#216 - 2012-05-31 03:39:57 UTC

Kiteo Hatto wrote:

Mallak Azaria wrote:

Kiteo Hatto wrote:

I will still say CCP, tutorials(yeah the ones that EVERYONE has to do) state that "the good police guys will come and help you, you are safe in 0.5 and above Roll

"

It's people like you who decide to make the game dangerous for everyone as it is today because you have too much isk and free time.

1. Screenshot please.

2. CCP have stated many times that EVE was designed to be a harsh place. There is very little 'Intended gamplay mechanics' put in place by them. As by design. Players are encouraged to create their own stories. All you really want is another scripted game.

I didn't mean it word for word. Aura says that concord will come to the rescue should you be unjustly attacked, however you are on your own if you steal from someone.

Concord COMES but it doesn't help since the gankers win in the end, see the flaw ? By all means low and null ARE meant to be dangerous and ruthless. I want a game where im not restricted to doing what's favoured by the "big" boys, you know, a real sandbox ?

CCP couldn't have predicted that goons would exists nor that they would abuse the "freedom" given when they launched eve.

Stop saying sandbox, you have no idea what it means.

In a sandbox, we are all allowed to do as we please, even to other players. You are not entitled protection from us any more than we are entitled protection from Concord. We have theight to do what we want, and if you don't like it, feel free to form your own alliance and stop us.

That is a real sandbox you clueless pubbie. I dob't know where you got the idea that a sandbox entails all players doing what they want with no interference possible from other players. You say there are limits in a sandbox, but no, there aren't. The only limits are your will to do something, and your competence in putting it together. Want us kicked out of your sandbox? Come do it yourself. There is no shortage of people who hate us in this game, so what is taking so damned long?

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If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed. If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.

Pesky LaRue

Mercatoris

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#217 - 2012-05-31 03:42:17 UTC

Ranger 1 wrote:

It would be simplicity itself to make it so that you can not activate weapons in high sec. CCP avoids this like the plague because, wisely, they understand that if they did so EVE would become just another generic game. Popularity "might" briefly spike, but would then be followed by inevitable decline into obscurity.

Bingo. There is a reason EvE has grown, year over year whilst other games have some popularity and then flop.

Ranger 1

Ranger Corp

Vae. Victis.

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#218 - 2012-05-31 03:44:33 UTC | Edited by: Ranger 1

When you get right down to it, the fact that emotionally charged threads like this one are being created at such a frantic pace (combined with increasing subscriptions) is proof positive that CCP is doing something very, very right. Smile

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Durgain

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#219 - 2012-05-31 03:45:19 UTC | Edited by: Durgain

Ranger 1 wrote:

Durgain wrote:

Kimmi Chan wrote:

Durgain wrote:

Eve's subscriptions have been declining actually. :P
But your right, my days playing are probably numbered, since there's not much left for me to do unless i decide to go pvp.
Also, when I joined this game I was told that it was pretty much on online space life simulator, not that people would go around making other's lives miserable because that's there basis to blow up there ego.


Pesky LaRue Mercatoris Likes received: 268	#220 - 2012-05-31 03:45:24 UTC 1 Ranger 1 wrote: When you get right down to it, the fact that emotionally charged threads like this one are being created at such a frantic pace is proof positive that CCP is doing something very, very right. Damn you and your unflinching logic.

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