EVE General Discussion

Its a sandbox. And... wait a second... yes.. Oh yes.. you are actually ALLOWED to kick over someone else's castle! Im sorry if you dont understand that. Just because it is a sandbox does not mean you are free from adaptation. Other people will do what they will, and if you arent going to defend yourself, stop whining. kthx

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People wouldn't be suicide ganking(at least not anywhere as much) if it weren't for the 100mil reward.
To everyone else who quoted the things i said, sorry, but Im just too tired to argue now, even though i see some of your points as valid.

Some people?

How come the majority of the post on the forums now consist of the "problem" of suicide ganking?

This game is not a completely PvP game, I have said it many times. There is a ton more PvE content in this game than you can shake a PvP stick at.

People make mistakes and enact things in real life that people realize was a bad thing. Then people look to fix the problem that was created.

CCP may have said that ganking is intended, but that was before the larger amounts of people have started to speak out against it.

I'd be amazed to see a tidal wave of subs to be cancelled because of not being able to suicide gank. I can't imagine there are numbers that huge that depend entirely on the ability to suicide gank in hi-sec space.

Though I guess there must be a lot more people dependant on suicide ganking than there are people who play the PvE aspects of eve.

People are just mad because the Goons brought their own sand to the sandbox. Now they want to share it with everyone else.

Unleash the Jove on Null. In waves of their Battleships. When they arrive, no gate jumping from system. JB's neutralized as well.

PLEASE.

Spamming forum threads is not a representation of anything, and besides, the threads are full of back and forth about the issue. Trying to say "THERE'S LOTS GOING ON ABOUT IT, EVERYONE MUST BE AGAINST IT" is as disingenuous as it gets.



This makes no sense whatsoever. PvE "content" is represented by static things - missions, mining, incursions, anomalies, etc. PVP "content" is as simple as "I found a ship, I'm going to shoot it". You can't compare the numbers on things like that and draw conclusions.

What you CAN do, however, is look at what game mechanics allow, and they allow the killing of players in every single region in the game, just in different ways, Guess what that means? Eve is completely a PVP game!




The only mistake in any of this nonsense is believing that a small minority of whining babies who scream about unsubbing and then never actually do is representative of anything at all.



Larger? Than what? 0? Do you have any actual numbers of any actual value?



Nobody will unsub because they can't suicide gank. They'd unsub because of what removing it represents - a sea change in CCP's philosophy and vision of the game. A change that moves away from Eve being a rather unforgiving universe without safety towards a game that actually allows it. This is unobjectively a Very Bad Thing.

Seriously, you need to stop thinking of this as just about suicide ganking in a vacuum - that might be what the current issue is, but what's as stake is something far larger. The movement against ganking is driven by wanting highsec to be 100% safe, and the backlash is from people who see what that would lead to and object to it. Suicide ganking is just a small (yet necessary) part of that.

Remind me again what advantages people in lowsec have? Lowsec is one of the most fundamentally broken areas in the game - it needs love more than anything else.

As for why it's bad - Highsec is already rife with advantages - market hubs allow for the buying of anything you may need, tons of stations for production, RELATIVELY safe travel and life thanks to CONCORD, and one of the best isk/hr sources in the game (Level 4 missions). There HAS to be a downside somewhere, and that downside is CONCORD being not-perfect at their job. If you removed the downside, literally EVERYONE would live in highsec. There'd be no reason at all to even attempt to live in low or null. Anyone going out there would just be daytrippers, and with no actual residents, targets would be scarce to non-existent. No null population also means no high end minerals, certainly not enough to keep production running. This would only matter for a short while though, as the lack of population in null and low would see PVP drop like a stone, which means far fewer lost ships and modules, which means less people buying.

In short, the game would become stagnant in the worst way. Nothing would ever be contested (since you can just drop corp to avoid wardecs, which is the only way you'd be hurt in highsec after this change), nothing would ever be risked, and everyone would just get bored and move on. That's the last thing CCP (or any MMO game developer) wants - boredom. Boredom leads to indifference which leads to cancelled subs.

THAT'S what's fundamentally wrong with highsec being 100% safe.

Better deadspace pockets, only source of higher tier ore, only drops of highend faction equipment, access to tier 5 missions (although apparently payout on those is terrible) and the only place in game you can build and use the endgame ships. There's more, but i think that's the main points.

And, from what your describing, having highsec be "safe" would only hurt "your" gameplay (as a pvper). As it stands right now (if you didn't notice by my post) I'm a very low risk player. As a matter of fact, the only time I've ever been pvp'd was by a gank camp when I was trying to do a mission that took me into low sec. Some of the player base (believe it or not) doesn't play this game for the risks involved in pvp, but get there enjoyment out of running incursions, mining, industry, missioning, or other factors, and the pvp aspect will actually drive those people away if they got involved in it.

So I still don't see how having highsec, or at least 1 and .9 space being 100% safe, would effect the game overall.

that's fine, we have jump drives

Goonswarm Federation vs. the Jovian Empire.

Too... epic...