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CCP needs to take a hard look at Goonswarm and Hulkageddon to save EVE.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#81 - 2012-05-30 21:30:58 UTC
Either people will get tired of it, move on and this entire fad will die out like so many other, or people take a stand and start to collectively kick the Goons ass when it starts to shake up the market too badly. Either way it won't last forever. Posting on the forums about it certainly won't make it go away, though.

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Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2012-05-30 21:32:18 UTC
Lykouleon wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
These "pvpers" are so up their own arse they cant see the whole picture of right and wrong. Never mind the "too far" border.

Turn off the computer and go outside kid, its just a video game.

Already been outside today, what about you ?
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2012-05-30 21:33:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
I will still say CCP


Then you are wrong in every way possible. They could make it impossible if they wanted to, yet they don't, despite the fact that they HAVE made changes to both ganking methods and CONCORD. Why do you think that is? They clearly know about ganking and know about how it works, yet despite their changes, it's still a very valid thing, and we've just had two large player-sanctioned events dedicated solely to it.

Really, ask yourself why they haven't changed it, and from there decide if the game is for you or not. Trying to convince yourself that CCP totally doesn't want ganking but just doesn't seem to know quite what to do (hint: they're nowhere near that clueless or incompetent) is just a delusion that's going to do nothing good for you.


TigerXtrm wrote:
Either people will get tired of it, move on and this entire fad will die out like so many other, or people take a stand and start to collectively kick the Goons ass when it starts to shake up the market too badly. Either way it won't last forever. Posting on the forums about it certainly won't make it go away, though.


See? This guy gets it! The solution is "DO SOMETHING". Mine in a less attractive ship. Find quieter systems. Try lowsec and actually organize your own defense, or join a null corp and see what that's like. Hell, get some friends, get into a combat ship and fly out to Deklien or whatever to extract revenge! Literally ANYTHING is better than coming on the forums and crying that Eve isn't meeting all of your needs to the letter.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-05-30 21:33:57 UTC
Carebear is the idea of a person who plays with "no risk" correct?

Cause a carebear out in a hulk during the "culling" would be risking himself or herself, thus removing carebear status.

Those that suicide gank, do it with no risk. In fact much of the PvP is done with no risk in eve or at least for the large alliances. You either have bigger guns, or you dock up. Where the heck is the risk if you have a huge fleet backing you or its a guaranteed loss you don't care about?

Those claiming to be PvPers should go out and actually take a risk, talk to one of the other huge alliances and pick a battlefield system and shoot at each other. Lots more fun PvP comes from Squeezing your buttcheeks together wondering if you are going to survive.
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2012-05-30 21:34:57 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Drax Dremal wrote:
Goonswarm do you think EVE cant die? I played in Star Wars from its start until it died. At its high point it was way more popular than EVE will ever be. We thought it could never die.


You thought wrong. Looks like you're still thinking wrong. EVE isn't a cookie-cutter MMO & has not reached it's high point. Subscriber numbers climb each year, can you name any other MMO that has achieved this 9 years running?


What happens when the world runs of douches that will subscribe ? Eve will get stale even for them and die.
Shin'alor
Flat Earth Believers
#86 - 2012-05-30 21:36:31 UTC
Drax Dremal wrote:
:words:


If you post me your lossmail from where Goons killed you, I'll consider reimbursing it after you send me 100m as trust money.

I'm legit, ask my friends.
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-05-30 21:39:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiteo Hatto
Snow Axe wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
I will still say CCP


Then you are wrong in every way possible. They could make it impossible if they wanted to, yet they don't, despite the fact that they HAVE made changes to both ganking methods and CONCORD. Why do you think that is? They clearly know about ganking and know about how it works, yet despite their changes, it's still a very valid thing, and we've just had two large player-sanctioned events dedicated solely to it.

Really, ask yourself why they haven't changed it, and from there decide if the game is for you or not. Trying to convince yourself that CCP totally doesn't want ganking but just doesn't seem to know quite what to do (hint: they're nowhere near that clueless or incompetent) is just a delusion that's going to do nothing good for you.


Start watching eve trailers from the very first one, i DOUBT ccp could predict that people would behave like this if they were given power when they released the game. You know, the more eve trailers i watch the more i realize that they are misleading to what actually happens. Why are they misleading ? Because of people like goons. Hellbent on making everyone's eve day miserable.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2012-05-30 21:39:58 UTC
Spikeflach wrote:
Those claiming to be PvPers should go out and actually take a risk, talk to one of the other huge alliances and pick a battlefield system and shoot at each other. Lots more fun PvP comes from Squeezing your buttcheeks together wondering if you are going to survive.


This may shock you, but I'd wager a great many gankers do both. Making Hulk miners cry is just one of many things to do in the game.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-05-30 21:40:01 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
I will still say CCP


Then you are wrong in every way possible. They could make it impossible if they wanted to, yet they don't, despite the fact that they HAVE made changes to both ganking methods and CONCORD. Why do you think that is? They clearly know about ganking and know about how it works, yet despite their changes, it's still a very valid thing, and we've just had two large player-sanctioned events dedicated solely to it.

Really, ask yourself why they haven't changed it, and from there decide if the game is for you or not. Trying to convince yourself that CCP totally doesn't want ganking but just doesn't seem to know quite what to do (hint: they're nowhere near that clueless or incompetent) is just a delusion that's going to do nothing good for you.


TigerXtrm wrote:
Either people will get tired of it, move on and this entire fad will die out like so many other, or people take a stand and start to collectively kick the Goons ass when it starts to shake up the market too badly. Either way it won't last forever. Posting on the forums about it certainly won't make it go away, though.


See? This guy gets it! The solution is "DO SOMETHING". Mine in a less attractive ship. Find quieter systems. Try lowsec and actually organize your own defense, or join a null corp and see what that's like. Hell, get some friends, get into a combat ship and fly out to Deklien or whatever to extract revenge! Literally ANYTHING is better than coming on the forums and crying that Eve isn't meeting all of your needs to the letter.


They haven't changed it because the voice of changing it hasn't been as big as the people saying its great. The events have never been too long or too destructive, but now you will get more people speaking up about suicide ganking which inevitably forces CCP to take a look at that mechanic because it is causing issues.

And if they decide to "fix" suicide ganking, the hi sec dwellers will have the leaders of these events to thank for it.
HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2012-05-30 21:41:59 UTC
Spikeflach wrote:
Carebear is the idea of a person who plays with "no risk" correct?

Cause a carebear out in a hulk during the "culling" would be risking himself or herself, thus removing carebear status.

Those that suicide gank, do it with no risk. In fact much of the PvP is done with no risk in eve or at least for the large alliances. You either have bigger guns, or you dock up. Where the heck is the risk if you have a huge fleet backing you or its a guaranteed loss you don't care about?

Those claiming to be PvPers should go out and actually take a risk, talk to one of the other huge alliances and pick a battlefield system and shoot at each other. Lots more fun PvP comes from Squeezing your buttcheeks together wondering if you are going to survive.
you're only risking something if you know it's a risk and in the majority of cases that ain't so

you're assuming that fleet fights aren't happening because there aren't any territorial wars going on which is so hilariously untrue you should probably stop posting
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2012-05-30 21:45:12 UTC
Spikeflach wrote:
They haven't changed it because the voice of changing it hasn't been as big as the people saying its great. The events have never been too long or too destructive, but now you will get more people speaking up about suicide ganking which inevitably forces CCP to take a look at that mechanic because it is causing issues.

And if they decide to "fix" suicide ganking, the hi sec dwellers will have the leaders of these events to thank for it.


What happens when one of the voices in support of ganking is CCP themselves? Like, imagine if something crazy like a senior producer of Eve describing Burn Jita as "f---ing brilliant" happened. That sort of pushes the removal of ganking beyond a simple balance issue, wouldn't you say?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-05-30 21:45:26 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Spikeflach wrote:
Those claiming to be PvPers should go out and actually take a risk, talk to one of the other huge alliances and pick a battlefield system and shoot at each other. Lots more fun PvP comes from Squeezing your buttcheeks together wondering if you are going to survive.


This may shock you, but I'd wager a great many gankers do both. Making Hulk miners cry is just one of many things to do in the game.


Much like the 50 other PvE activities there are to do in game. It's a shame PvP can completely disrupt PvE while PvE cannot in any way disrupt PvP.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#93 - 2012-05-30 21:46:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
I will still say CCP, tutorials(yeah the ones that EVERYONE has to do) state that "the good police guys will come and help you, you are safe in 0.5 and above Roll"

It's people like you who decide to make the game dangerous for everyone as it is today because you have too much isk and free time.


1. Screenshot please.

2. CCP have stated many times that EVE was designed to be a harsh place. There is very little 'Intended gamplay mechanics' put in place by them. As by design. Players are encouraged to create their own stories. All you really want is another scripted game.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#94 - 2012-05-30 21:47:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Spikeflach wrote:
Much like the 50 other PvE activities there are to do in game. It's a shame PvP can completely disrupt PvE while PvE cannot in any way disrupt PvP.

That all depends on what you define as “PvE”…

Kiteo Hatto wrote:
tutorials(yeah the ones that EVERYONE has to do) state that "the good police guys will come and help you, you are safe in 0.5 and above Roll"
No, they don't.
Haldor Rune
State War Academy
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-05-30 21:49:44 UTC
Spikeflach wrote:
It's a shame PvP can completely disrupt PvE while PvE cannot in any way disrupt PvP.

How would PvE disrupt PvP? Having NPC take player-owned space in null-sec? Having NPC fleets warp in and mess with PvP fleets jumping around? Well, the former might give Goonswarm something to do (because who knows why they can't split up and fight each other all day), but the latter would be an inconvenience.

Then again, EVE's not meant to be convenient.
Blabb3r M0uth B11tch
Doomheim
#96 - 2012-05-30 21:49:49 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
yes blowing up people's space pixels where it shouldn't be happening is ~immoral~



And who decides where things should and shouldn't happen? You?

Before you say CCP, remember that they've never prohibited suicide ganking or any other sort of blowing up internet spaceships in highsec. They've tweaked with what gankers are able to do and how they can do it, but at no point have they truly stopped it from happening, even though it'd be the easiest thing in the world to do.

Even the creators of the game don't think hisec should be immune from other players. What gives you and a bunch of other pissy Hulk pilots the right to over-rule them?


Sir I would be delighted, and look forward to meeting and discussing EvE gaming, Philosophy, Etc. in person with some day. Be interesting to see how one of you guys behave in the presents of one of us pussies.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-05-30 21:51:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Haldor Rune wrote:

How would PvE disrupt PvP?.


There is almost no activity in this game that isn't considered a form of PvP, whether it's direct or by proxy.

Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:
Sir I would be delighted, and look forward to meeting and discussing EvE gaming, Philosophy, Etc. in person with some day. Be interesting to see how one of you guys behave in the presents of one of us pussies.


I'd love to discuss this with you in person. Over coffee?

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Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2012-05-30 21:51:43 UTC
Blabb3r M0uth B11tch wrote:
Sir I would be delighted, and look forward to meeting and discussing EvE gaming, Philosophy, Etc. in person with some day. Be interesting to see how one of you guys behave in the presents of one of us pussies.


Sure thing. Might want to check if it's ok with your mom first, though.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#99 - 2012-05-30 21:52:10 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Spikeflach wrote:
They haven't changed it because the voice of changing it hasn't been as big as the people saying its great. The events have never been too long or too destructive, but now you will get more people speaking up about suicide ganking which inevitably forces CCP to take a look at that mechanic because it is causing issues.

And if they decide to "fix" suicide ganking, the hi sec dwellers will have the leaders of these events to thank for it.


What happens when one of the voices in support of ganking is CCP themselves? Like, imagine if something crazy like a senior producer of Eve describing Burn Jita as "f---ing brilliant" happened. That sort of pushes the removal of ganking beyond a simple balance issue, wouldn't you say?


Really, do you not understand what i said.

That event happened, it was a limited duration thing, anyone is happy enough to do something like that just for kicks once in a while. Nobody really complained because its a one time thing that was "cool".

Now we're talking about something that is going on way too long than it should, and more and more people are speaking up against it. It's such a big deal that the people funding it are responding to these forums in defense of it.

If CCP says its something that won't be "fixed" then too bad for the people being ganked. But the people speaking up about it have every right to speak up and have every right to be able to enjoy the game how they like.
Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#100 - 2012-05-30 21:53:04 UTC
Drax Dremal wrote:
Goonswarm is bot moon mining, bot ice mining and bot ore mining.


One word - Proof? Arrow