EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

Hydra and Outbreak,

this is becoming pathetic.

If you could learn something with The Mittani scandal and ban is that you should have done the same: MAN UP, own your mistake, apologise to the Eve community (in your case for trying to corner the Tournament again this year by colluding), step back and shut up.

After doing all that, The Mittani got the ban anyway, but next year he can come back to the CSM (if he wish to) and at this moment his record is clean, his conscience is clean, almost everyone is happy with is actions and the drama is over.

If you had done that already, maybe, just maybe, that last spot would have been given to one of you or a mix team, but no, you can't read in between the lines... wake up and learn how to play the "Game".

Continue on this path and next year the drama will not be about the ban but about the fact you might not even be allowed to enter. Please continue to insult CCP and their staff by making accusations, pointing fingers and soon, very soon, someone with power will get annoyed, will remove the F*** Y** hammer from the closet and will hit you both with it.

yes continue on this path... this will end well


One more time to see if this sticks in our brains: own your mistake, apologise, step back, shut up and wait.

Slight difference there is that The Mittani broke a rule.
Hydra and Outbreak it got assumed they were planning on breaking a rule without a shred of evidence this was actually going to be true.
They got trailed and convicted on not breaking any rules in AT9 and assuming they would break a rule now.
Does this mean that all Tier 3 battlecruisers who are fit the same way as they were fit for Boomerang tactics to get banned because it looks like they are going to break a rule?

Why wait or communicate. It looks suspicious so let's ban.

Proactive moderating at it's best.
Damn all proof. Damn the fact that Hydra and Outbreak didn't break any rules.
The mere fact I can concoct something vaguely discerning out of it is enough to doom them.

Confirming I am not a Hydra or Outbreak alt.
But that won't be believed anyways. But that is up to everone's own sense or vieuwing it.

I post on own merit and am in no way affiliated with any side but mine.

The scandals this year have been entertaining. Mitannigate first and now OBHydraGate :)

Hydra and Outbreak cheated.. and they tried to do it again.. and this time got caught doing it.. and still people are mad at CCP for not having them in the Alliance Tournament? I mean.. Hydra & Outbreak are awesome pvp:ers.. they don't have to cheat to be good at this and win.. so why do it? The rules has been very clear and posted in good time.. and still these two alliance choose to cheat... this is what i don't get about this.. why??

Anyway.. would had been awesome to meet them in the tournament.. but i guess that have to wait until next year. This tournament wont be the same without these teams..

They cheated again? At the very minimum, this was the first year that they cheated because nothing last year was against the rules. You ask why they would "cheat." Indeed, why would any group of experienced PvPers want to fight against another. I know, maybe they should have fought TEST with their shield tanked laser Megathron... comedy km ftw.

I want to see the eve-mail or chat log where Garmon says he is going to bend over for 0utbreak. I seriously doubt that CCP can produce those logs and the obvious conclusion is that they are still butt-hurt for last years poorly designed rules.

No, AT9 they did NOT cheat. They followed all rules as were laid out.

To assume they would break the rules this year stay an assumption and CCP only proactivly kicked them on a guttfeeling build upon last year.
However they refuse to acknowledge that Hydra and Outbreak didn't get a ban, reprimande or any other punishment at AT9 because there were no rules broken. Becaue that would take a lot of basis away on which this years ban is build.
Was it good play? No.
Was it against the AT9 rules? No.

So basicly they didn't break a rule back then but let's just assume they will now. Much easier than actually communicating. And we call it "They were going to break the rules" and with all the butthurt feelings around most of the players will swallow that explenation anyways.
Let's also bring in the CCP cheerleader squad and then some random wannabees will hop on aswel and voila. CCP get's it's proactive revenge and the players cheer for a biased ruling because they can't see passt their hurt feelings over AT9.

Those who are too vocal about it will receive their warnings about being stripped of their posting priviledges or just get forum banned if they remain vocal.
A little deletion here and there and we are back to business as usual.

That is correct, the final last year was not cheating. It was bad TV, but bad TV is only enough to get you in trouble the following year when vague rules allow :CCP: to ban you for entrapment.

You are also correct about TS rooms and outside channels. Contrary to what some blues have claimed, :CCP: is not psychic. They cannot know that people are plotting to collude unless those people are dumb enough to use the in game chat channels. It has already been stated that sparring is allowed so inferring that sparring is cheating is merely a pathetic excuse for mouth breathing forum trolls to revenge themselves upon their betters. These are the same trolls that respond with inanities like: "cool story bro" and other such idiocies. They contribute nothing and are below contempt.

As for your line about elite pvp, it is up to the individual team to decide who they want to spar against. They received permission from CCP and given the training practices of other alliances it was not an unreasonable request.

English isn't his first language, I like to look at all his posts as if he is the bizarre combination of a flowery poet and a recently unfrozen cave man.

It is entirely unclear why one would think sharing logistics would be disqualifying. Large alliances, by definition, have more people and can assign more people to hauling and fitting ships and mods. If it is inappropriate to ease logistical burdens then you are implicitly biasing the tournament in favor of larger alliances.

Theorycraft and intel will be considered as the same thing for purposes of this discussion. The first point is that since sparring is allowed, no one disputes this, then one would obviously get kill mails from any ships destroyed. In addition to this, logs show which weapons do what damage and one can infer parts of the fit from the amount of damage being done to you relative to your native resits. Also, if you have fraps running and a decently setup overview, you can see the speed at which enemy ships are traveling and infer if they are using an AB, MWD, or even a Nano fit. You can learn a lot from sparring. Secondly, there is no way to monitor out of game communication. It is like banning steroids while having no way to test for them. Such a rule does not further the integrity of the tournament because it enables the least scrupulous to take advantage of it. Also, it has been specifically stated that one is allowed to spy on the Test server.

I don't know why anyone thinks joining the same corporation on SiSi has any relevance on anything. SiSi is like double internet spaceships. If EVE is real, then SiSi is that real thing playing a game of make believe.

Regarding the sharing of girlfriends, they are adults and are allowed to engage in whatever sexual practices they feel comfortable with.