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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#81 - 2012-05-30 19:57:51 UTC
Zyress wrote:


This basically, Hi-sec mining done on a small or even an individual scale is not even as profitable as missioning, I can make more isk running level 4's in my time online than a hisec miner can afford to pay me to watch them and watching them isn't a very interesting way for me to play the game. In order for them to pay me enough to compensate me for time I could otherwise be doing lvl 4's it would require a large group of miners and it would be cutting into their profits so deeply that the activity would be pointless for them and boring for me.


Pyrite is now worth 9.09 isk a unit which isn't bad for a semi AFK activity.
Juess
The Order of Cerberus
#82 - 2012-05-30 20:00:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Zyress wrote:


This basically, Hi-sec mining done on a small or even an individual scale is not even as profitable as missioning, I can make more isk running level 4's in my time online than a hisec miner can afford to pay me to watch them and watching them isn't a very interesting way for me to play the game. In order for them to pay me enough to compensate me for time I could otherwise be doing lvl 4's it would require a large group of miners and it would be cutting into their profits so deeply that the activity would be pointless for them and boring for me.


Pyrite is now worth 9.09 isk a unit which isn't bad for a semi AFK activity.

If you fit for max yield you can earn more ISK per hour guys let's do it!!! Cry
pussnheels
Viziam
#83 - 2012-05-30 20:01:08 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
This is awesome, finally the carebears will feel the full power of the player driven pvp sandbox. They are already complaining en mass because they don't understand EVE.

Whenever someone tells you that if you want to pvp you should go to lo/nullsec, you know they don't comprehend EVE.


first point the majority of players are NOT carebears , most of them are more than willing to take risks if needed or asked
only a small minority of high sec dwellers are what you can say real carebears and they do include this newest generation of suicide gankers , the I MUST WIN generation like i call them

second are you suprised the majority of highsec dwellers is getting restless , this had been going on from even before i left EVE 7 months ago, just poor senseless griefing because of a small minority of white trash idiots think it is their godgiven task to shape EVE how they want it

Thirdly yes this is a pvp driven sandbox where everything is about competition going from way down of finding the best asteroid belts and selling your minerals at a better price than your competitors all the way up to the big boys in 0,0 sec playing with titans

the real loser in this debacle is going to be CCP not us we will just move on to something else

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#84 - 2012-05-30 20:03:38 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
and here`s an example for the industrial side

Kara Roideater wrote:
Rykker, Varo Jan and I ran a business together that I think came as close as is possible to market/industrial perfection in terms of smooth running and efficiency, earning c. 100% monthly ROI on a 100bil of capital (actually a 50bil investment that grew itself to 100bil in the first three weeks). Rykker's figures are slightly off though - it was 3.5bil/day profit when things were in full swing (93bil profit in the 28 days of February) and 2.5bil/day during the first month including the initial growth period.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1315757#post1315757

These are guys I know, one of whom I worked with in-game, and another who gave me 20b when he quit just because I argued with him a lot on the forums (out of his total 400b+).

The security, concentration of materials and manpower, and industrial capacity of hisec allow you to do things on a scale that absolutely dwarfs nullsec industry. Quite literally, if there were never drone regions and capital construction was not limited, there would be no low-null industry worth mentioning (hint: and one of these factors is now gone).


Again very few at that lvl. Its easier for an individual to make big risk fast from mining and chaining npc rats in null sec than high.
Juess
The Order of Cerberus
#85 - 2012-05-30 20:04:45 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
This is awesome, finally the carebears will feel the full power of the player driven pvp sandbox. They are already complaining en mass because they don't understand EVE.

Whenever someone tells you that if you want to pvp you should go to lo/nullsec, you know they don't comprehend EVE.


first point the majority of players are NOT carebears , most of them are more than willing to take risks if needed or asked
only a small minority of high sec dwellers are what you can say real carebears and they do include this newest generation of suicide gankers , the I MUST WIN generation like i call them

second are you suprised the majority of highsec dwellers is getting restless , this had been going on from even before i left EVE 7 months ago, just poor senseless griefing because of a small minority of white trash idiots think it is their godgiven task to shape EVE how they want it

Thirdly yes this is a pvp driven sandbox where everything is about competition going from way down of finding the best asteroid belts and selling your minerals at a better price than your competitors all the way up to the big boys in 0,0 sec playing with titans

the real loser in this debacle is going to be CCP not us we will just move on to something else

1) But suicide gankers always lose. It's the one foregone conclusion.

2) Don't bears know anything these days? It's been going on for NINE years. And the playerbase keeps growing.

3) True.

How does CCP end up being the loser when its playerbase consistently seems to grow and they're about to debut a wildly successful new FPS? It kind of looks like CCP isn't moving anywhere soon, since that FPS interlinks with Eve.
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2012-05-30 20:07:16 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Somebody makes more isk that you with less tools and far more competition. Just like someone's signature on these forums, sorry but someone is better at EVE than you because they put more effort in. *GASP* They would be even richer if they were doing this is null.


As one of these people, no, you`re wrong. I sit in Jita, buy 10s or 100s of billions worth of mats, and then sell them back for 1xx% later. I could never do this in nullsec. Same with people who run huge industrial concerns.


Its your choice to play a stock trader. Null/lowsec is plain better when it comes to drops. If more people would do null/lowsec exploration stuff then you wouldn't think of yourself as "rich" as you are now.

Market game is the most profitable thing to do in high sec for those who are good at that money stuff in RL, for everyone else its just a shop to buy/sell stuff.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#87 - 2012-05-30 20:07:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Tickles
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Again very few at that lvl. Its easier for an individual to make big risk fast from mining and chaining npc rats in null sec than high.


but that wasn`t your original statement

if you want to completely alter your argument, then fine
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#88 - 2012-05-30 20:08:35 UTC
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Its your choice to play a stock trader. Null/lowsec is plain better when it comes to drops. If more people would do null/lowsec exploration stuff then you wouldn't think of yourself as "rich" as you are now.

Market game is the most profitable thing to do in high sec for those who are good at that money stuff in RL, for everyone else its just a shop to buy/sell stuff.


Again, if you want to alter the complete direction of what I was directly responding to, then fine.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-05-30 20:11:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Alavaria Fera wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
This is awesome, finally the carebears will feel the full power of the player driven pvp sandbox. They are already complaining en mass because they don't understand EVE.

Whenever someone tells you that if you want to pvp you should go to lo/nullsec, you know they don't comprehend EVE.

It feels like fishing for tears, but they are all over the forum, so it can't be that.

You are right though. They spammed half the first page full of threads about hulkageddon and ganking in general... it's pretty surprising.



It's far beyond fishing at this point. All the tears are on the ground & we're all scrambling to get the best place to lick.

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Khadann
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-05-30 20:12:29 UTC
Is there such thing as 'a pvp sandbox'? Lol

I thought sandbox meant open to all kind of gameplay, no?
Juess
The Order of Cerberus
#91 - 2012-05-30 20:15:21 UTC
Khadann wrote:
Is there such thing as 'a pvp sandbox'? Lol

I thought sandbox meant open to all kind of gameplay, no?


Tired of getting sand kicked in your vaginas?

Send 1B ISK to me and I'll turn you into Charles Atlas.

Dated? What?

Lou? No? Arnold? No?

I can make you a really big dude for 1B ISK.
pussnheels
Viziam
#92 - 2012-05-30 20:18:13 UTC  |  Edited by: pussnheels
bah messed up the quote

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2012-05-30 20:20:14 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
and here`s an example for the industrial side

Kara Roideater wrote:
Rykker, Varo Jan and I ran a business together that I think came as close as is possible to market/industrial perfection in terms of smooth running and efficiency, earning c. 100% monthly ROI on a 100bil of capital (actually a 50bil investment that grew itself to 100bil in the first three weeks). Rykker's figures are slightly off though - it was 3.5bil/day profit when things were in full swing (93bil profit in the 28 days of February) and 2.5bil/day during the first month including the initial growth period.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1315757#post1315757

These are guys I know, one of whom I worked with in-game, and another who gave me 20b when he quit just because I argued with him a lot on the forums (out of his total 400b+).

The security, concentration of materials and manpower, and industrial capacity of hisec allow you to do things on a scale that absolutely dwarfs nullsec industry. Quite literally, if there were never drone regions and capital construction was not limited, there would be no low-null industry worth mentioning (hint: and one of these factors is now gone).


Again very few at that lvl. Its easier for an individual to make big risk fast from mining and chaining npc rats in null sec than high.


And yet, AFK bot mining for ice or AFK Mission Running trumps any amount of ISK you can make in Nullsec until you start doing anoms in like, a Tengu. See the problem?
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#94 - 2012-05-30 20:27:52 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Again very few at that lvl. Its easier for an individual to make big risk fast from mining and chaining npc rats in null sec than high.


but that wasn`t your original statement

if you want to completely alter your argument, then fine



No its my original argument no need to change anything. Cheers
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#95 - 2012-05-30 20:31:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Tickles
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
No its my original argument no need to change anything. Cheers


Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Again very few at that lvl. Its easier for an individual to make big risk fast from mining and chaining npc rats in null sec than high.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1394418#post1394418

Talon SilverHawk wrote:
All the isk has always been in low and null sec, especialy mining. Billions in hi sec lol , Who are the richest entities in EVE, null sec alliances not hi sec carebears.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1394073#post1394073
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#96 - 2012-05-30 20:32:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Talon SilverHawk
Xython wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Darth Tickles wrote:
and here`s an example for the industrial side

Kara Roideater wrote:
Rykker, Varo Jan and I ran a business together that I think came as close as is possible to market/industrial perfection in terms of smooth running and efficiency, earning c. 100% monthly ROI on a 100bil of capital (actually a 50bil investment that grew itself to 100bil in the first three weeks). Rykker's figures are slightly off though - it was 3.5bil/day profit when things were in full swing (93bil profit in the 28 days of February) and 2.5bil/day during the first month including the initial growth period.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1315757#post1315757

These are guys I know, one of whom I worked with in-game, and another who gave me 20b when he quit just because I argued with him a lot on the forums (out of his total 400b+).

The security, concentration of materials and manpower, and industrial capacity of hisec allow you to do things on a scale that absolutely dwarfs nullsec industry. Quite literally, if there were never drone regions and capital construction was not limited, there would be no low-null industry worth mentioning (hint: and one of these factors is now gone).


Again very few at that lvl. Its easier for an individual to make big risk fast from mining and chaining npc rats in null sec than high.


And yet, AFK bot mining for ice or AFK Mission Running trumps any amount of ISK you can make in Nullsec until you start doing anoms in like, a Tengu. See the problem?


I'm not talking about AFK bot mining and to be honest its not yours or Goons jobs to hunt bots its CCP's. Stop tarring everyone in hi sec with the same brush.

And hulkageddon is about putting more isk in Mits pocket not bots.

Tal
Lustralis
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2012-05-30 20:32:34 UTC
It's funny but I was in null yesterday and there were more people mining in greater safety than I generally see in high sec on my travels around there. Bear

Anyway, forget the BS about "bears", this is about profit. Regardless of GS, who by the way I think are running a sponsored bore-hole on the forums at the moment, it isn't hard to be safe mining in high sec. For the benefit of those who don't know:

(1) Use probes to find gravs,
(2) Buy gravs from other explorers
(3) Invite concord to your mining party
(4) Watch directional for scan probes in (1) or (2)
(5) Don't do it at the weekends

Note for (5), the weekend is the busiest time for any industrialist watching his sell orders. It's also the busiest time for the hulk hunters to mince around in high sec looking for targets.

I do feel a little sorry for the relative noobs who get ganked, but I don't feel sorry for the guy running 7 accounts solo, or the botters, or the people mining for syndicates being paid $1 per hour. But you know, if you mine in relative safety taking some precautions, you have the fantastic prices to look forward to. Granted when you spend that cash you're also paying higher prices for goods because it all feeds through, but in general the extra profit for the reduction in mining is a win.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#98 - 2012-05-30 20:35:39 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
No its my original argument no need to change anything. Cheers


Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Again very few at that lvl. Its easier for an individual to make big risk fast from mining and chaining npc rats in null sec than high.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1394418#post1394418

Talon SilverHawk wrote:
All the isk has always been in low and null sec, especialy mining. Billions in hi sec lol , Who are the richest entities in EVE, null sec alliances not hi sec carebears.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1394073#post1394073



I'm being dense so your going to have to be more explicit at pointing out any hole in my argument soz.

Tal
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#99 - 2012-05-30 20:36:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Talon SilverHawk
Accidental quote
pussnheels
Viziam
#100 - 2012-05-30 20:39:30 UTC
Juess wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
This is awesome, finally the carebears will feel the full power of the player driven pvp sandbox. They are already complaining en mass because they don't understand EVE.

Whenever someone tells you that if you want to pvp you should go to lo/nullsec, you know they don't comprehend EVE.


first point the majority of players are NOT carebears , most of them are more than willing to take risks if needed or asked
only a small minority of high sec dwellers are what you can say real carebears and they do include this newest generation of suicide gankers , the I MUST WIN generation like i call them

second are you suprised the majority of highsec dwellers is getting restless , this had been going on from even before i left EVE 7 months ago, just poor senseless griefing because of a small minority of white trash idiots think it is their godgiven task to shape EVE how they want it

Thirdly yes this is a pvp driven sandbox where everything is about competition going from way down of finding the best asteroid belts and selling your minerals at a better price than your competitors all the way up to the big boys in 0,0 sec playing with titans

the real loser in this debacle is going to be CCP not us we will just move on to something else

1) But suicide gankers always lose. It's the one foregone conclusion.

2) Don't bears know anything these days? It's been going on for NINE years. And the playerbase keeps growing.

3) True.

How does CCP end up being the loser when its playerbase consistently seems to grow and they're about to debut a wildly successful new FPS? It kind of looks like CCP isn't moving anywhere soon, since that FPS interlinks with Eve.


there is fundamental different between losing your ship in real pvp and losing your ship due to a game mechanic you can't avoid as in suicideganking so don"t give me that bullshit that griefers are putting their ship at risk each time they gank someone

before as far i remember suicide ganking was done for a profit or a hired killing and yes you had the occasional hulkageddon each year but it was limited in time and was announced well in advance , u never had problems with it , it is only since last autum this senseless griefing started with the sole purpose of driving people OUT of the game and it hasn"t stop since so again don"t give me that crap this has been going on for 9 years

playerbase growing ? did you had a look at the charts to day compared with a year ago last 3 month they lost more then what was gained in all of 2011 looks like it and this trend will continue but i guess you probably don't even know the basics of how companies actual work

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire