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[Proposal] License to Jam

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Amber Katelo
#1 - 2012-05-30 17:41:05 UTC
A pilot belonging to a player corporation, should be able to buy a 24-hour jamming license from Concord. During that period, that pilot, and any member of their fleet may use EWar in hi-sec on any targets they choose, in a solar system specified by the license.

Here are the restrictions and consequences in bullet form for easier digestion:
  • Not available to NPC corp members
  • License for one 24-hour period
  • Restricted to a single system
  • Fee based on system size / population, and security level
  • Players that get jammed have aggression rights
  • License permits only jamming / disruption / dampening
  • Webbing, scrambling, target painting or any kind of actual firing is not permitted
  • ECM drones are permitted
  • Licensed pilots are listed in a solar system's information
  • Licenses held by any given pilot are listed in that pilot's information
  • Licenses are non-transferable


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Why? What is this for?

Rather than sit like fish in a barrel, a miner can pop out a set of ECM drones and attempt to jam a ganker before getting ganked. Or better, a defending fleet can jam the would-be ganker first, without Concord getting involved. As aggression rights would then be available to the would-be ganker, the ganker gets an actual fight if they're willing to stick around for it.

Quote:
OMG! The abuse! The griefing! AAAAHHHH!

Like can flipping, jamming licenses would not be sold in newbie systems (1.0). Yes, this could potentially be can-flipping on steroids... only, you don't lose the contents of the container, you just lose a lock (or miss the shot).

In the case of third party interference with ongoing hostilities, the aggression rights cover that. Fight back.

I shoot first.

mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-05-30 17:46:01 UTC
So I can fly up to a belt, scare a miner into jamming me, keep them bumped so they can't warp out, and just wait for the drones to miss a cycle so I can kill the miner without losing my ship (since it gave me aggression against the miner)? Don't you think that's a bit exploitable?

tl;dr: no, it's a bad idea. This doesn't help anything at all.
Amber Katelo
#3 - 2012-05-30 17:54:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Amber Katelo
mxzf wrote:
So I can fly up to a belt, scare a miner into jamming me, keep them bumped so they can't warp out, and just wait for the drones to miss a cycle so I can kill the miner without losing my ship (since it gave me aggression against the miner)? ...

Yes. You can do that... but it'd be better if that miner had a pack of buddies in dessies getting in your way. You wouldn't get aggro on the miner, in that case.

Mining solo is dangerous.

I shoot first.

Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#4 - 2012-05-30 17:56:09 UTC
Doesn't add anything of any value to the game. But it does add more stuff for people to moan about, ie exploits etc.

So no.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Amber Katelo
#5 - 2012-05-30 17:59:18 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Doesn't add anything of any value to the game. But it does add more stuff for people to moan about, ie exploits etc.

So no.

I disagree (naturally). It adds a mechanic for an initial punch in hisec without Concord interference.

Let's talk about the exploits, though. How bad would they be?

I shoot first.

Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-05-30 18:12:22 UTC
What is with the massive numbers of npc alts coming up with insane ideas?

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Amber Katelo
#7 - 2012-05-30 18:25:38 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
What is with the massive numbers of npc alts coming up with insane ideas?

Please explain why this is insane. Otherwise you're just blathering in electronic form.

I shoot first.

Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-05-30 18:46:55 UTC
Amber Katelo wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
What is with the massive numbers of npc alts coming up with insane ideas?

Please explain why this is insane. Otherwise you're just blathering in electronic form.


Why should I repeat what already has been said?

Go read what has been said.

That alone is enough for me.

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Amber Katelo
#9 - 2012-05-30 19:11:05 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:

Why should I repeat what already has been said?

Go read what has been said.

That alone is enough for me.

Then don't repeat. The only thing that has already been said is "it doesn't add anything to the game" which I refuted. Feel free to argue against my refutation. That would not be repetition unless you just literally repeat the claim without giving evidence or a line of reasoning to back up the stance.

As for "exploitation" I gave an argument for why I thought that kind of "exploitation" would be an acceptable addition to the game. It wouldn't be an exploit, it would simply be one more thing leading to a fight. I thought the thesis of Eve was that fighting is good.

Also feel free to bump the thread again. Smile

I shoot first.

Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-05-30 19:12:39 UTC
Amber Katelo wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:

Why should I repeat what already has been said?

Go read what has been said.

That alone is enough for me.

Then don't repeat. The only thing that has already been said is "it doesn't add anything to the game" which I refuted. Feel free to argue against my refutation. That would not be repetition unless you just literally repeat the claim without giving evidence or a line of reasoning to back up the stance.

As for "exploitation" I gave an argument for why I thought that kind of "exploitation" would be an acceptable addition to the game. It wouldn't be an exploit, it would simply be one more thing leading to a fight. I thought the thesis of Eve was that fighting is good.

Also feel free to bump the thread again. Smile


Your arguments only tell me one thing.

This is a joke.

I try not to waste time on jokes.

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Amber Katelo
#11 - 2012-05-30 19:18:49 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Amber Katelo wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:

Why should I repeat what already has been said?

Go read what has been said.

That alone is enough for me.

Then don't repeat. The only thing that has already been said is "it doesn't add anything to the game" which I refuted. Feel free to argue against my refutation. That would not be repetition unless you just literally repeat the claim without giving evidence or a line of reasoning to back up the stance.

As for "exploitation" I gave an argument for why I thought that kind of "exploitation" would be an acceptable addition to the game. It wouldn't be an exploit, it would simply be one more thing leading to a fight. I thought the thesis of Eve was that fighting is good.

Also feel free to bump the thread again. Smile


Your arguments only tell me one thing.

This is a joke.

I try not to waste time on jokes.

Roll
The proposal was not a joke. Your "no, shut up" is kind of silly, though.

I shoot first.

Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#12 - 2012-05-30 19:22:46 UTC
Stupid idea is stupid.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

||CEO: Order of the Shadow||Executor: The Revenant Order||Creator: Bowhead||

Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-05-30 19:24:10 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Stupid idea is stupid.


See?

I don't really need to say much.

Speaks our overall opinion clearly here.

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Amber Katelo
#14 - 2012-05-30 19:32:09 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Stupid idea is stupid.


See?

I don't really need to say much.

Speaks our overall opinion clearly here.

Yes, but there's no reason at all. Just "That's dumb." Why? What are the flaws? Can they be fixed? What would would a good solution for the problem be?

Convince me I'm wrong and I'll drop the thread. Tell me your unsupported opinion should trump mine without giving a line of reasoning and I can't take it seriously.

I shoot first.

Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#15 - 2012-05-30 19:45:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Carrigan
Amber Katelo wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Stupid idea is stupid.


See?

I don't really need to say much.

Speaks our overall opinion clearly here.

Yes, but there's no reason at all. Just "That's dumb." Why? What are the flaws? Can they be fixed? What would would a good solution for the problem be?

Convince me I'm wrong and I'll drop the thread. Tell me your unsupported opinion should trump mine without giving a line of reasoning and I can't take it seriously.

The whole concept is flawed as it would create another avenue for griefing and mechanic exploitation. End up wit a bunch of neutral jammers during wars or 1v1's instead of neutral RR.

Do us all a favor. Give me your stuff and biomass. You half***ed a half*** idea you quarter***ed twit.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

||CEO: Order of the Shadow||Executor: The Revenant Order||Creator: Bowhead||

Amber Katelo
#16 - 2012-05-30 19:59:19 UTC
Jack Carrigan wrote:

The whole concept is flawed as it would create another avenue for griefing and mechanic exploitation. End up wit a bunch of neutral jammers during wars or 1v1's instead of neutral RR.

Do us all a favor. Give me your stuff and biomass. You half***ed a half*** idea you quarter***ed twit.

Regarding neutral jamming, the act of jamming gives the jammed aggression rights. The moment you or your fleet does it, you're fair game. I addressed that in the initial post. Why would that be insufficient?

And uhhh... you moronic jack*** of a WOWtard, go back to crying over error 37s... is that how that part works?

I shoot first.

Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-05-30 20:37:34 UTC
Amber Katelo wrote:
Jack Carrigan wrote:

The whole concept is flawed as it would create another avenue for griefing and mechanic exploitation. End up wit a bunch of neutral jammers during wars or 1v1's instead of neutral RR.

Do us all a favor. Give me your stuff and biomass. You half***ed a half*** idea you quarter***ed twit.

Regarding neutral jamming, the act of jamming gives the jammed aggression rights. The moment you or your fleet does it, you're fair game. I addressed that in the initial post. Why would that be insufficient?

And uhhh... you moronic jack*** of a WOWtard, go back to crying over error 37s... is that how that part works?


You know not what you do.... I would back off while you still have a chance.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2012-05-30 21:14:27 UTC
Ooh! I can probe out a mission bear, wait till he's pointed by rats and just jam him till the rats pop him? Big smile
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-05-30 21:17:11 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Ooh! I can probe out a mission bear, wait till he's pointed by rats and just jam him till the rats pop him? Big smile


LOL

Best one yet!

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Amber Katelo
#20 - 2012-05-30 21:17:21 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Ooh! I can probe out a mission bear, wait till he's pointed by rats and just jam him till the rats pop him? Big smile

Or until he warps off, yes. And yes, this actually makes hi-sec less safe.

I shoot first.

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