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Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2012-05-30 18:47:01 UTC
Chris Cooley wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
This is awesome, finally the carebears will feel the full power of the player driven pvp sandbox. They are already complaining en mass because they don't understand EVE.

Whenever someone tells you that if you want to pvp you should go to lo/nullsec, you know they don't comprehend EVE.



Actually they do understand Eve.
Thats why they want the grandma kicking griefers to feck off back to 0.0.


"Grandma kicking Griefers." That's a fancy way of saying "Chris Cooley has no ******* clue what he is talking about."

Hint: If you guys weren't walking around nekkid carrying big sacks of gold (i.e., flying an untanked and shitfit Hulk) then maybe you wouldn't be getting ganked into pieces.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2012-05-30 18:53:15 UTC
80% of the population live in High Sec. Many High Sec industrialist have more money; they live and work in High Sec. They have long time associtations with members of Concord, who reap the reward of high taxation (nerfing profit in high sec) and wardecc bribes. Concord make out better than low sec bandits. In fact, probably better than all of the goon. Why in God black space would Concord not find a new more aggressive ways to fight against this new "emergent gameplay" inititive brought on by non-high sec residents bent on denying Concord its profits year round?

I suspect a new wind is blowing .. and it's not the goon. We saw it happen when MOO use Amarr laser alpha strikes to completely block gates and kill hundreds - a move to nerf all of Amarr for years resulted. And year around hulkageddon? ha. How many thousands have died for this exploitive play much to the detriment of Concord profits?

We shall see if anything comes of the year round hulk-a-kill-a-thon. ..but I suspect it won't go unanswered.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2012-05-30 18:53:24 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
HVAC Repairman wrote:
It's not "your" game. It's not "our" game. It's "the" game. Safer is not safe. Adapt or lose your stuff, it's not rocket science.


But it is there game to play within the rules the way they want to, they pay for it same as you. Im not saying hi sec should be safe but at the moment its out of balance. Also to many dicks around that get off on trying making other ppl misrable.

If its not my game what's meant by "We don't want to ruin the game, we want to ruin your game" ? say's it all really.


Tal[/quote]

Yes, it is quite out of balance. Highsec is far, far TOO SAFE, and oh god, is it it ever TOO PROFITABLE.

Or do you not get that the reason all this is happening is because CCP cowtowed to all the pressure to move all the isk generation to Highsec, thus killing the Nullsec small scale PVP Ecosystem? That we're doing this to stem the influence that these pathetic botting retards, who would kill EVE just to get 5% more wallet flashes, have over CCP?

In an ideal EVE, you would migrate from Highsec to Lowsec as you got more and more skillpoints, in order to constantly chase higher amounts of isk. In the world of the entitled highsec pubbie, you never leave the highsec systems and make billions of isk while AFK and botting. One of these paths leads to a future for EVE. The other is the path of the entitled highsec pubbie.
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#64 - 2012-05-30 19:05:04 UTC
Xython wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
HVAC Repairman wrote:
It's not "your" game. It's not "our" game. It's "the" game. Safer is not safe. Adapt or lose your stuff, it's not rocket science.


But it is there game to play within the rules the way they want to, they pay for it same as you. Im not saying hi sec should be safe but at the moment its out of balance. Also to many dicks around that get off on trying making other ppl misrable.

If its not my game what's meant by "We don't want to ruin the game, we want to ruin your game" ? say's it all really.


Tal


Yes, it is quite out of balance. Highsec is far, far TOO SAFE, and oh god, is it it ever TOO PROFITABLE.

Or do you not get that the reason all this is happening is because CCP cowtowed to all the pressure to move all the isk generation to Highsec, thus killing the Nullsec small scale PVP Ecosystem? That we're doing this to stem the influence that these pathetic botting retards, who would kill EVE just to get 5% more wallet flashes, have over CCP?

In an ideal EVE, you would migrate from Highsec to Lowsec as you got more and more skillpoints, in order to constantly chase higher amounts of isk. In the world of the entitled highsec pubbie, you never leave the highsec systems and make billions of isk while AFK and botting. One of these paths leads to a future for EVE. The other is the path of the entitled highsec pubbie.[/quote]

i call BS on the "only afk and botters" claim sorry. Granted it probably wasnt one of the hulkageddon mob who popped my retriever (not "crying" i know space sucks, its a vacuum afterall). If thats trully the intent then i expect should i ever fly a hulk that i am asked politely "hi ara are you there" to which i would reply "yup just noming some rocks before i go scanning" before the agressor fleet warps off. I know it wont happen. That "afk and bots" only you just said is the first time i have seen that. In fact i was reading another thread recently in which a guy was screaming for support to kill only players and ignore bots! Ludicrous.

I strongly suggest all you anti-miners get together and fix the story, is it afk/botters or not. I believe its neither. Its a barge bash for the sake of it. I'll do my best to avoid/repel ganks might succeed might not. If it gets too hot i'll ditch the barge and go back to battleship mining, my rokh yield surpasses my retriever (t1 strip) yield by far
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2012-05-30 19:08:49 UTC
Aramatheia wrote:

i call BS on the "only afk and botters" claim sorry. Granted it probably wasnt one of the hulkageddon mob who popped my retriever (not "crying" i know space sucks, its a vacuum afterall). If thats trully the intent then i expect should i ever fly a hulk that i am asked politely "hi ara are you there" to which i would reply "yup just noming some rocks before i go scanning" before the agressor fleet warps off. I know it wont happen. That "afk and bots" only you just said is the first time i have seen that. In fact i was reading another thread recently in which a guy was screaming for support to kill only players and ignore bots! Ludicrous.

I strongly suggest all you anti-miners get together and fix the story, is it afk/botters or not. I believe its neither. Its a barge bash for the sake of it. I'll do my best to avoid/repel ganks might succeed might not. If it gets too hot i'll ditch the barge and go back to battleship mining, my rokh yield surpasses my retriever (t1 strip) yield by far


Oh don't misunderstand, we're certainly not only targeting the AFK and the Botters. We're also targeting the entitled and the clueless.

To be frank, flying an untanked Hulk (or really any mining ship) is again, like streaking through the Ghetto while naked and carrying bags of money. You have only yourself to blame if you get violated and mugged, and you then demanding the police personally escort you around while you continue this behavior is the height of entitlement and asshattery.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#66 - 2012-05-30 19:15:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Talon SilverHawk
Xython wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
HVAC Repairman wrote:
It's not "your" game. It's not "our" game. It's "the" game. Safer is not safe. Adapt or lose your stuff, it's not rocket science.


But it is there game to play within the rules the way they want to, they pay for it same as you. Im not saying hi sec should be safe but at the moment its out of balance. Also to many dicks around that get off on trying making other ppl misrable.

If its not my game what's meant by "We don't want to ruin the game, we want to ruin your game" ? say's it all really.


Tal


Xython wrote:
Yes, it is quite out of balance. Highsec is far, far TOO SAFE, and oh god, is it it ever TOO PROFITABLE.

Or do you not get that the reason all this is happening is because CCP cowtowed to all the pressure to move all the isk generation to Highsec, thus killing the Nullsec small scale PVP Ecosystem? That we're doing this to stem the influence that these pathetic botting retards, who would kill EVE just to get 5% more wallet flashes, have over CCP?

In an ideal EVE, you would migrate from Highsec to Lowsec as you got more and more skillpoints, in order to constantly chase higher amounts of isk. In the world of the entitled highsec pubbie, you never leave the highsec systems and make billions of isk while AFK and botting. One of these paths leads to a future for EVE. The other is the path of the entitled highsec pubbie.


Rubbish propaganda, this is happening because mittens wants to squeeze more isk by attacking hi sec mining and activities thus upping the price of mins and such. Don't paint it as some humanitarian mission on behalf of EVE.

You didn't answer the question I asked about your motto,

All the isk has always been in low and null sec, especialy mining. Billions in hi sec lol , Who are the richest entities in EVE, null sec alliances not hi sec carebears.

I should be able to live and work in what ever level of sec I want. Again you cant force ppl into a sec they dont want to go, especially when the main reason you want to do it for is more targets. Roll
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-05-30 19:19:19 UTC
Xython wrote:

Or do you not get that the reason all this is happening is because CCP cowtowed to all the pressure to move all the isk generation to Highsec...


Eh?

Your meds, sir. You seem to have forgotten them.
Miss Yanumano
Cadence Industrial Syndicate
#68 - 2012-05-30 19:21:36 UTC
Is it really that hard to fit two resist mods to kin/therm and have a friend/second account in a T1 logi cruiser, or just stay aligned and use D-Scan? Or maybe try to scout around for safe enough systems for your liking, there are over a thousand systems in high sec, probably a lot more?

How about a DCU and some tanking rigs, instead of your MLU's and Cargo Optimization rigs?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#69 - 2012-05-30 19:22:44 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:

Rubbish propaganda, this is happening because mittens wants to squeeze more isk by attacking hi sec mining and activities thus upping the price of mins and such. Don't paint it as some humanitarian mission on behalf of EVE.

You didn't answer the question I asked about your motto,

All the isk has always been in low and null sec, especialy mining. Billions in hi sec lol , Who are the richest entities in EVE, null sec alliances not hi sec carebears.

I should be able to live and work in what ever level of sec I want. Again you cant force ppl into a sec they dont want to go, especially when the main reason you want to do it for is more targets. Roll


Most of the high end minerals don't come from highsec.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#70 - 2012-05-30 19:29:54 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:

Rubbish propaganda, this is happening because mittens wants to squeeze more isk by attacking hi sec mining and activities thus upping the price of mins and such. Don't paint it as some humanitarian mission on behalf of EVE.

You didn't answer the question I asked about your motto,

All the isk has always been in low and null sec, especialy mining. Billions in hi sec lol , Who are the richest entities in EVE, null sec alliances not hi sec carebears.

I should be able to live and work in what ever level of sec I want. Again you cant force ppl into a sec they dont want to go, especially when the main reason you want to do it for is more targets. Roll


Most of the high end minerals don't come from highsec.



Thanks for backing up my point.

Tal

Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-05-30 19:32:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiteo Hatto
Xython wrote:
Aramatheia wrote:


To be frank, flying an untanked Hulk (or really any mining ship) is again, like streaking through the Ghetto while naked and carrying bags of money. You have only yourself to blame if you get violated and mugged, and you then demanding the police personally escort you around while you continue this behavior is the height of entitlement and asshattery.


"Friend", actually its like jogging in a civilized rich part of town and all of a sudden you die to some random driveby for the "lulz" because some ghetto thugs are too bored with their own ghetto Roll


[quote]You have only yourself to blame if you get violated and mugged, and you then demanding the police personally escort you around while you continue this behavior is the height of entitlement and asshattery.


You only have yourself to blame if the police breaks down your door and puts you in jail/on deathrow for murder. Ofcourse, this kind of punishment doesn't happen in eve so there are no consequences for scum like yourselves Roll

Pushing people to their limit and seeing how far you can get away with it, its all fun and games until someone does something like that to you.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-05-30 19:32:46 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Who are the richest entities in EVE, null sec alliances not hi sec carebears


hisec ultra industrialists and traders

nullsec does breed some big pocket ceos and directors, but total wealth and number of wealthy individuals (pick an arbitrary `wealthy` number) made that money in hisec
Keia Nomesteturj
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2012-05-30 19:33:58 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:


But it is there game to play within the rules the way they want to, they pay for it same as you. Im not saying hi sec should be safe but at the moment its out of balance. Also to many dicks around that get off on trying making other ppl misrable.

If its not my game what's meant by "We don't want to ruin the game, we want to ruin your game" ? say's it all really.



This.
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-05-30 19:43:39 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Who are the richest entities in EVE, null sec alliances not hi sec carebears


hisec ultra industrialists and traders

nullsec does breed some big pocket ceos and directors, but total wealth and number of wealthy individuals (pick an arbitrary `wealthy` number) made that money in hisec




Somebody makes more isk that you with less tools and far more competition. Just like someone's signature on these forums, sorry but someone is better at EVE than you because they put more effort in. *GASP* They would be even richer if they were doing this is null.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#75 - 2012-05-30 19:43:42 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Who are the richest entities in EVE, null sec alliances not hi sec carebears


hisec ultra industrialists and traders

nullsec does breed some big pocket ceos and directors, but total wealth and number of wealthy individuals (pick an arbitrary `wealthy` number) made that money in hisec





Then the guys that have access to low and null are doing it wrong if they are earning less than hi sec care bears .

Tal
Stan Smith
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-05-30 19:44:53 UTC
Quote:
Yes, it is quite out of balance. Highsec is far, far TOO SAFE, and oh god, is it it ever TOO PROFITABLE.


how much isk is generated by moon mining in a day for any alliance?

Quote:

Or do you not get that the reason all this is happening is because CCP cowtowed to all the pressure to move all the isk generation to Highsec, thus killing the Nullsec small scale PVP Ecosystem? That we're doing this to stem the influence that these pathetic botting retards, who would kill EVE just to get 5% more wallet flashes, have over CCP?


first: you lost all credibility when you said the word "******", and two i thought the o.o napfest killed nullsec pvp


Quote:

In an ideal EVE, you would migrate from Highsec to Lowsec as you got more and more skillpoints, in order to constantly chase higher amounts of isk. In the world of the entitled highsec pubbie, you never leave the highsec systems and make billions of isk while AFK and botting. One of these paths leads to a future for EVE. The other is the path of the entitled highsec pubbie.


once you graduate from college, regardless of degree, you are forced to live in the slums of a major city and have to find a job there and are never allowed out of your part of the city. see how dumb that sounds?

☻/ /▌ / \ This is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#77 - 2012-05-30 19:46:47 UTC
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Somebody makes more isk that you with less tools and far more competition. Just like someone's signature on these forums, sorry but someone is better at EVE than you because they put more effort in. *GASP* They would be even richer if they were doing this is null.


As one of these people, no, you`re wrong. I sit in Jita, buy 10s or 100s of billions worth of mats, and then sell them back for 1xx% later. I could never do this in nullsec. Same with people who run huge industrial concerns.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#78 - 2012-05-30 19:48:10 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Then the guys that have access to low and null are doing it wrong if they are earning less than hi sec care bears


hahaha
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-05-30 19:54:32 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

You do realize there are miners that actualy pay people to work for them?

...

How about you take some of the profit you make from mining and start using it to facilitate more emergent gameplay by recruiting people to work for you so that you can't be ganked in hi-sec.


Finally a post worth reading in this cesspool.

I have 1 question for you.

I have found out that hi sec is not conductive to hiring people like you say. How do you get that running?

First of all, Trit is somewhat less profitable than Technetium, so hiring people cuts the revenue so much that it's just smarter to downgrade to using covetors.

Second - and I really tried it - sitting watching and guarding static ships cutting roids for 8 hours a day (minimum) is not exactly the best aspiration for a merc or whatever. Not only you start getting cramps after 1 hour but when somebody actually warps in, your attention has dropped so much that you won't react in the few seconds needed for a gank.

Third, how do you prevent people to warp in 2-3 disco boats on the Orca and wipe everything?
This expecially applies to ice mining, there's no choice about where to go (i.e. secluded system) so you have to sit all day long in systems with 80-100 people in local.


Please enlighten me about the above issues.



Because dealing with gankers also involves being realistically able to do so.


This basically, Hi-sec mining done on a small or even an individual scale is not even as profitable as missioning, I can make more isk running level 4's in my time online than a hisec miner can afford to pay me to watch them and watching them isn't a very interesting way for me to play the game. In order for them to pay me enough to compensate me for time I could otherwise be doing lvl 4's it would require a large group of miners and it would be cutting into their profits so deeply that the activity would be pointless for them and boring for me.
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#80 - 2012-05-30 19:56:26 UTC
and here`s an example for the industrial side

Kara Roideater wrote:
Rykker, Varo Jan and I ran a business together that I think came as close as is possible to market/industrial perfection in terms of smooth running and efficiency, earning c. 100% monthly ROI on a 100bil of capital (actually a 50bil investment that grew itself to 100bil in the first three weeks). Rykker's figures are slightly off though - it was 3.5bil/day profit when things were in full swing (93bil profit in the 28 days of February) and 2.5bil/day during the first month including the initial growth period.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1315757#post1315757

These are guys I know, one of whom I worked with in-game, and another who gave me 20b when he quit just because I argued with him a lot on the forums (out of his total 400b+).

The security, concentration of materials and manpower, and industrial capacity of hisec allow you to do things on a scale that absolutely dwarfs nullsec industry. Quite literally, if there were never drone regions and capital construction was not limited, there would be no low-null industry worth mentioning (hint: and one of these factors is now gone).