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Gally Alita
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-05-28 01:47:38 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Here, Nice simple, cheap(ish) Rokhs

Both tank 1200 DPS (omni, fit rat specific to do better) while you keep them fed with cap boosters (should be easy). Both could probably stand to drop a tank slot (hardener or amp depending) if you can find something worthwhile to slot in.

Blasters hit for 923 DPS (no drones)
Rails hit for 619 DPS (no drones) with a 62k optimal)

Seen too many overpriced, overtanked failbats in here (Zhilia's look fine). And nobody seems to want the new mods. If you need more than 10 rep cycles with the equivalent of a Pith X-type booster (better if you OH), you're bad and should feel bad.

Better advice... fly literally anything else.

[Rokh, Mission Rokh Rails]

Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script <<<< Come up with something better

425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L

Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II
[Empty Rig slot] <<<< Fill these with whatever doesn't eat grid
[Empty Rig slot]



[Rokh, Mission Rokh]

Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II

Gist C-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L

Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Large Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I
[Empty Rig slot]


This fit is extremely expensive..
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#42 - 2012-05-28 09:19:53 UTC
Gally Alita wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Here, Nice simple, cheap(ish) Rokhs

Both tank 1200 DPS (omni, fit rat specific to do better) while you keep them fed with cap boosters (should be easy). Both could probably stand to drop a tank slot (hardener or amp depending) if you can find something worthwhile to slot in.

Blasters hit for 923 DPS (no drones)
Rails hit for 619 DPS (no drones) with a 62k optimal)

Seen too many overpriced, overtanked failbats in here (Zhilia's look fine). And nobody seems to want the new mods. If you need more than 10 rep cycles with the equivalent of a Pith X-type booster (better if you OH), you're bad and should feel bad.

Better advice... fly literally anything else.



This fit is extremely expensive..



Both are under a billion and in case I need to spell it out for you, [whisper]you can drop the Mag stabs to T2 while you make money to make em faction[/whisper].

You're a mission runner. You're boat's gonna be somewhat expensive if you want to do it efficiently.

Many mission boats use a Shield booster that costs more than each of those entire fits.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Yabba Addict
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-05-29 21:53:09 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:


Many mission boats use a Shield booster that costs more than each of those entire fits.



Many T1 boats? T1 non faction boats? as in, you know, T1, right? I am reading this right, aren't I?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#44 - 2012-05-30 01:59:49 UTC
Yabba Addict wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


Many mission boats use a Shield booster that costs more than each of those entire fits.



Many T1 boats? T1 non faction boats? as in, you know, T1, right? I am reading this right, aren't I?


He said "extremely expensive." If the whole boat costs less than one mod on a slightly more efficient boat, it's probably not "extremely" expensive.

While those fits are not as cheap as my magically delicious lucky charms, they're more than reasonable if you're going to be a dedicated mission snoozer... runner. A 1b Isk T1 Battleship is pretty well par for the course.

In addition, if OP can't figure out that you can probably fit T2 damage mods on the Battleship famed for its CPU, he needs more than just fitting help.


"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Gally Alita
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-05-30 15:37:12 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Yabba Addict wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


Many mission boats use a Shield booster that costs more than each of those entire fits.



Many T1 boats? T1 non faction boats? as in, you know, T1, right? I am reading this right, aren't I?


He said "extremely expensive." If the whole boat costs less than one mod on a slightly more efficient boat, it's probably not "extremely" expensive.

While those fits are not as cheap as my magically delicious lucky charms, they're more than reasonable if you're going to be a dedicated mission snoozer... runner. A 1b Isk T1 Battleship is pretty well par for the course.

In addition, if OP can't figure out that you can probably fit T2 damage mods on the Battleship famed for its CPU, he needs more than just fitting help.




Eh thanks? Is not like I don't have to money to fit that (just that I don't kill stuff a lot, I usually spent time doing trade and marketing - which is the reason of my reaction), and who said I couldn't figure that out? The whole purpose of this topic is to learn what I can from people who run or used Rokh in PVE. There aren't much info of its reliability in lvl4 missions, so that's why I posted this topic. I don't need a fitting 101 so no thank you, I don't need any additional help beyond this. I'm just here to ask for opinions on Rokh's PVE capacity.
Gally Alita
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-05-30 15:46:01 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Yabba Addict wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


Many mission boats use a Shield booster that costs more than each of those entire fits.



Many T1 boats? T1 non faction boats? as in, you know, T1, right? I am reading this right, aren't I?


He said "extremely expensive." If the whole boat costs less than one mod on a slightly more efficient boat, it's probably not "extremely" expensive.

While those fits are not as cheap as my magically delicious lucky charms, they're more than reasonable if you're going to be a dedicated mission snoozer... runner. A 1b Isk T1 Battleship is pretty well par for the course.

In addition, if OP can't figure out that you can probably fit T2 damage mods on the Battleship famed for its CPU, he needs more than just fitting help.




Yes I am well aware of the Rokh's CPU problem, and in regarding that issue I don't give much crap since all I gave from my comment was "That fit is extremely expensive", do I have to say everything I saw? When I first scan through that fit the first thing I notice of course is going to be the item -faction mods, the fitting comes later.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#47 - 2012-05-30 16:44:51 UTC
Gally Alita wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Yabba Addict wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


Many mission boats use a Shield booster that costs more than each of those entire fits.



Many T1 boats? T1 non faction boats? as in, you know, T1, right? I am reading this right, aren't I?


He said "extremely expensive." If the whole boat costs less than one mod on a slightly more efficient boat, it's probably not "extremely" expensive.

While those fits are not as cheap as my magically delicious lucky charms, they're more than reasonable if you're going to be a dedicated mission snoozer... runner. A 1b Isk T1 Battleship is pretty well par for the course.

In addition, if OP can't figure out that you can probably fit T2 damage mods on the Battleship famed for its CPU, he needs more than just fitting help.




Yes I am well aware of the Rokh's CPU problem, and in regarding that issue I don't give much crap since all I gave from my comment was "That fit is extremely expensive", do I have to say everything I saw? When I first scan through that fit the first thing I notice of course is going to be the item -faction mods, the fitting comes later.



If you think the Rokh has a CPU problem, it's clear you've never used a fitting program. Go get EFT.
The Rokh has the opposite of a CPU problem. It has the biggest base CPU of any Battleship.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Gally Alita
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-05-30 18:08:29 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Gally Alita wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Yabba Addict wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


Many mission boats use a Shield booster that costs more than each of those entire fits.



Many T1 boats? T1 non faction boats? as in, you know, T1, right? I am reading this right, aren't I?


He said "extremely expensive." If the whole boat costs less than one mod on a slightly more efficient boat, it's probably not "extremely" expensive.

While those fits are not as cheap as my magically delicious lucky charms, they're more than reasonable if you're going to be a dedicated mission snoozer... runner. A 1b Isk T1 Battleship is pretty well par for the course.

In addition, if OP can't figure out that you can probably fit T2 damage mods on the Battleship famed for its CPU, he needs more than just fitting help.




Yes I am well aware of the Rokh's CPU problem, and in regarding that issue I don't give much crap since all I gave from my comment was "That fit is extremely expensive", do I have to say everything I saw? When I first scan through that fit the first thing I notice of course is going to be the item -faction mods, the fitting comes later.



If you think the Rokh has a CPU problem, it's clear you've never used a fitting program. Go get EFT.
The Rokh has the opposite of a CPU problem. It has the biggest base CPU of any Battleship.


I wasn't thinking when typing that, sorry. It just slip my mind because I was overreacting on my part. Also I have EFT and I use EFT. But telling me that I need more help is basically calling me a noob, and no one likes that. I post this topic because I don't use Rokh and wonder if it's a widely accepted approach .
Boz Wel
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#49 - 2012-05-30 18:24:36 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Yabba Addict wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


Many mission boats use a Shield booster that costs more than each of those entire fits.



Many T1 boats? T1 non faction boats? as in, you know, T1, right? I am reading this right, aren't I?


He said "extremely expensive." If the whole boat costs less than one mod on a slightly more efficient boat, it's probably not "extremely" expensive.

While those fits are not as cheap as my magically delicious lucky charms, they're more than reasonable if you're going to be a dedicated mission snoozer... runner. A 1b Isk T1 Battleship is pretty well par for the course.

In addition, if OP can't figure out that you can probably fit T2 damage mods on the Battleship famed for its CPU, he needs more than just fitting help.




I wouldn't call those fits extremely expensive and you can easily see how to tweak them to a cheaper, less powerful variant. That said, even with a good fit, the Rokh is fairly unimpressive for a mission boat. If you want to use rails, I would seriously look into a domi/navy domi with a shield tank using some of the drone damage augmenters or a Kronos for a generally solid railmobile.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#50 - 2012-05-30 18:29:56 UTC
Gally Alita wrote:


I wasn't thinking when typing that, sorry. It just slip my mind because I was overreacting on my part. Also I have EFT and I use EFT. But telling me that I need more help is basically calling me a noob, and no one likes that. I post this topic because I don't use Rokh and wonder if it's a widely accepted approach .


And you've mostly got replies telling you to use literally any other ship.

Then, when given a moderately efficient fit, you pooh pooh it as being "extremetly" expensive in a class (l4 mission runners) where 1b+ Isk shield boosters are commonly used and 1b+ hulls are even more common. You do so before making any effort to see whether the fit is workable as a cheaper variant.

I wasn't calling you a noob, but don't expect many people on the forums to be helpful when you have that sort of attitude.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#51 - 2012-05-30 18:33:56 UTC
Boz Wel wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Yabba Addict wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


Many mission boats use a Shield booster that costs more than each of those entire fits.



Many T1 boats? T1 non faction boats? as in, you know, T1, right? I am reading this right, aren't I?


He said "extremely expensive." If the whole boat costs less than one mod on a slightly more efficient boat, it's probably not "extremely" expensive.

While those fits are not as cheap as my magically delicious lucky charms, they're more than reasonable if you're going to be a dedicated mission snoozer... runner. A 1b Isk T1 Battleship is pretty well par for the course.

In addition, if OP can't figure out that you can probably fit T2 damage mods on the Battleship famed for its CPU, he needs more than just fitting help.




I wouldn't call those fits extremely expensive and you can easily see how to tweak them to a cheaper, less powerful variant. That said, even with a good fit, the Rokh is fairly unimpressive for a mission boat. If you want to use rails, I would seriously look into a domi/navy domi with a shield tank using some of the drone damage augmenters or a Kronos for a generally solid railmobile.


I'll second the Domi/Domi navy.

A shield tanked blaster Domi navy running heavies and an MWD will top out at around 1600 dps with a web and plenty of tank thanks to the new shield thingymajigger.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Boz Wel
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2012-05-30 18:39:50 UTC
With full damage lows (maybe a couple TE as well), shield tank, 1 omnidirectional tracking link, and 6 350mm high's, you can get pretty absurd results with a Navy Domi and your guns/drones will have around 40km+ optimal using antimatter/garde. I wouldn't even bother with blasters at that point - your rail damage is pretty amazing.
Gally Alita
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-05-31 03:34:09 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Gally Alita wrote:


I wasn't thinking when typing that, sorry. It just slip my mind because I was overreacting on my part. Also I have EFT and I use EFT. But telling me that I need more help is basically calling me a noob, and no one likes that. I post this topic because I don't use Rokh and wonder if it's a widely accepted approach .


And you've mostly got replies telling you to use literally any other ship.

Then, when given a moderately efficient fit, you pooh pooh it as being "extremetly" expensive in a class (l4 mission runners) where 1b+ Isk shield boosters are commonly used and 1b+ hulls are even more common. You do so before making any effort to see whether the fit is workable as a cheaper variant.

I wasn't calling you a noob, but don't expect many people on the forums to be helpful when you have that sort of attitude.


Sorry, had a rough day.
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